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    58 45.67%
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    46 36.22%
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    12 9.45%
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Canada is the most popular country in the world. Doesn't mean diddly squat on the world stage.
    Being 'liked' isn't always a option, sometimes it pays to be feared.
    Rather be respected than feared. Being feared has a tendency to spawn hatred and opposition. Many a great empires and countries have fallen because they were feared and not respected. The Swiss have been respected and not feared.. when was the last time the Swiss were invaded and attacked?

    Well then you have a short term memory.
    From the get go, there was a air of superiority many Europeans have which increased after Afghanistan.
    We are the more 'refined, intelligent type'. I have heard people in France and Germany sit there and over generalize and call Americans blood thirsty (Amusing that it comes from the Germans really)
    Considering the last 40 years of history people claiming that the American's are bloodthirsty are 100% correct. The number of wars the US has started and carried out since 1945 dwarf the number of wars Germany or France have started or carried out. But taken over the last 2000 years, yea then it is ironic, just as it is ironic when American's condemn Germany for eugenics and genocide...

    I have never had WW2 thrown in my face and any case where I do see it thrown in on this board in many cases is when a European (I don't need to name names but we all know who that European is) shouts about not needing US and how violent it is.
    Give it time, on these boards there is a tendency for American's to throw WW2 comments at Europeans when we are critical of parts of the US history or society or dont agree with them. I mean, they still use the WW2 reference almost every time the lead up to the Iraq war comes around.. And just search the forms for WW2 comments and you shall see.. The US won WW2 without any help according to many of the comments here
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by C. Gerstle View Post
    Americans want to believe it is Great Britain, but most Europeans and geopolitical analysts say it is Germany. What do you think?
    I think if the UK had no nukes, maybe.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Rather be respected than feared. Being feared has a tendency to spawn hatred and opposition. Many a great empires and countries have fallen because they were feared and not respected. The Swiss have been respected and not feared.. when was the last time the Swiss were invaded and attacked?
    When was the last time the Swiss were relevant?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Considering the last 40 years of history people claiming that the American's are bloodthirsty are 100% correct. The number of wars the US has started and carried out since 1945 dwarf the number of wars Germany or France have started or carried out. But taken over the last 2000 years, yea then it is ironic, just as it is ironic when American's condemn Germany for eugenics and genocide...
    What absolute anti-American garbage. Europe has been right there with us most of the time. Don't pretend like it's all America's fault. Y'all were right there too.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Give it time, on these boards there is a tendency for American's to throw WW2 comments at Europeans when we are critical of parts of the US history or society or dont agree with them. I mean, they still use the WW2 reference almost every time the lead up to the Iraq war comes around.. And just search the forms for WW2 comments and you shall see.. The US won WW2 without any help according to many of the comments here
    Who's bringing up WW II now?
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Rather be respected than feared. Being feared has a tendency to spawn hatred and opposition. Many a great empires and countries have fallen because they were feared and not respected. The Swiss have been respected and not feared.. when was the last time the Swiss were invaded and attacked?
    Any nation with size and large amounts of people will get ambitious and try to invade their neighbors and much more. Eventually though they stretch their limit for breaking point and end. However, the US and this modern era we have airplanes tha go real fast and this cuts the distance and our communication is real fast so the ability to talk with one another is faster too. So stretching to the point of being overstreched where supplies are not coming in is not too realistic.

    Also switzerland is not so important to anywhere in the world and the only reason they are recognized is for having banks that hide the money of many rich people.
    Considering the last 40 years of history people claiming that the American's are bloodthirsty are 100% correct. The number of wars the US has started and carried out since 1945 dwarf the number of wars Germany or France have started or carried out. But taken over the last 2000 years, yea then it is ironic, just as it is ironic when American's condemn Germany for eugenics and genocide...
    bs the Europeans have started wars for no better reason then he insulted me which says more about the europeans than the americans whose leaders can at least can be made fun of.
    Give it time, on these boards there is a tendency for American's to throw WW2 comments at Europeans when we are critical of parts of the US history or society or dont agree with them. I mean, they still use the WW2 reference almost every time the lead up to the Iraq war comes around.. And just search the forms for WW2 comments and you shall see.. The US won WW2 without any help according to many of the comments here
    You should know we also won ww1.

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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Jersey? So you basically have no clue on what your are talking about. It is blind nationalism and not factual.
    You might want to search up Jersey Garrison. Its location could be very advantegous against any French attack especially to any Naval force or air support. As for the Frenchies, they'd be hard pressed even reaching our shores without taking a very heavy toll.

    Yes exactly, .. the US says jump and the UK jumps.. the rest of Europe asks why?
    No, France asks why. And thats just about it. Regardless, keeping our cousins happy is just a gaurentee any European power is going to have to reshape their boarders if they think they could attack the UK. I definetly wouldnt put it past the Germans though. They dont have the flexibility or the experience to match up with the British.

    Hardly! Compared to Turks we are freaking giants.
    Are you speaking from first hand experience?
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Turkey should have been put on the list. They have the most powerful army in Europe.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Turkey should have been put on the list. They have the most powerful army in Europe.
    are you just saying that because you are of Turkish descent?

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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by stalin_was_a_nice_being View Post
    are you just saying that because you are of Turkish descent?
    No not at all. I think beside Russia and the UK, Turkey is probably one of the most powerful in Europe. When you take into accounts its strategic advantages too, i think Turkey could top the list quiet easily.

    EDIT: I just noticed Maximus made a similar comment if you go back a few pages.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    People arent really taking into account that Russia doesnt have a strong economy - infact its relatively miniscule. There are 145 million inhabitants and its GDP stands at only 1+ trillion. Thats a tiny economy for such a large population and with such a big economic potential as a result. They dont have the money or economic strength to maintain a massive offensive or use their nukes effectively.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    People arent really taking into account that Russia doesnt have a strong economy - infact its relatively miniscule. There are 145 million inhabitants and its GDP stands at only 1+ trillion. Thats a tiny economy for such a large population and with such a big economic potential as a result. They dont have the money or economic strength to maintain a massive offensive or use their nukes effectively.
    And on top of that, Russia is known for not really fighting the enemy face-to-face unless they know they can win. They typically let the enemy conquer a lot of their land because they can afford to. And then strike them once the enemy is too far in and the winter freezes their butts off.

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