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Thread: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Could that have anything to do with subsidized transportation?
    Could what?
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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Could what?
    The reason that poor areas are so far away from job centers.

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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The reason that poor areas are so far away from job centers.
    If by job centers you are referring to cities, why is it uber important for the poor to concentrate in cities? My response to your question in this post depends on this clarification.
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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    If by job centers you are referring to cities, why is it uber important for the poor to concentrate in cities? My response to your question in this post depends on this clarification.
    Much of how we think of cities today are because of government planning. Central business districts are not very efficient in terms of moving people, yet it's what we developed in every major city. With private ownership or smarter public ownership, we would see more blending between residential and commercial.

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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Much of how we think of cities today are because of government planning. Central business districts are not very efficient in terms of moving people, yet it's what we developed in every major city. With private ownership or smarter public ownership, we would see more blending between residential and commercial.
    Americas reliance on the automobile is what allows people to live spread out, poor or not. If anything, i would bet public transportation pulls those of poverty into cities with a much cheaper alternative in the form of non profit public transportation. And yet.....

    It is in the best interest for those in poverty to move out of the cities. The cost of living within area's of great human concentration is well known/documented to be much higher than its opposite. Therefore it is the cheap gasoline cost that allows people to maximize their utility (lower cost of living) and travel to areas where employment is more affluent (job centers).
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Americas reliance on the automobile is what allows people to live spread out, poor or not. If anything, i would bet public transportation pulls those of poverty into cities with a much cheaper alternative in the form of non profit public transportation. And yet.....

    It is in the best interest for those in poverty to move out of the cities. The cost of living within area's of great human concentration is well known/documented to be much higher than its opposite. Therefore it is the cheap gasoline cost that allows people to maximize their utility (lower cost of living) and travel to areas where employment is more affluent (job centers).
    That's assuming a flat rate for miles driven depending on gas consumption. In a city with market-priced roads, you wouldn't have that. It would be far cheaper to drive outside of the city than inside of the city.

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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    That's assuming a flat rate for miles driven depending on gas consumption.
    What

    In a city with market-priced roads, you wouldn't have that. It would be far cheaper to drive outside of the city than inside of the city.
    A city with market priced roads (as a serious %) does not exist, so your statement is really just speculation (mental masturbation IMHO). It cost more to live in cities from all aspects except when we consider public transportation. Can you provide any sort of evidence to the contrary?
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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    What
    A gas tax as the price for the road you're driving on.

    A city with market priced roads (as a serious %) does not exist, so your statement is really just speculation (mental masturbation IMHO). It cost more to live in cities from all aspects except when we consider public transportation. Can you provide any sort of evidence to the contrary?
    You have to look at what kind of development is more expensive: dense urban development or sprawl development? By all accounts, sprawl is much more expensive.

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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The reason that poor areas are so far away from job centers.
    I doubt it. I mean, most poor parts of town are older parts of the city that have fallen into disrepair... jobs don't go there because the people are usually too poor to afford the services or because the area isn't a "good part of town", and because jobs cluster together because it is better for business. I don't see how the bussing system has anything to do with this.
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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Americas reliance on the automobile is what allows people to live spread out, poor or not. If anything, i would bet public transportation pulls those of poverty into cities with a much cheaper alternative in the form of non profit public transportation. And yet.....

    It is in the best interest for those in poverty to move out of the cities. The cost of living within area's of great human concentration is well known/documented to be much higher than its opposite. Therefore it is the cheap gasoline cost that allows people to maximize their utility (lower cost of living) and travel to areas where employment is more affluent (job centers).
    I don't know if that's always true. If you live in the "bad part of town", it can be pretty cheap. And the problem with living in the suburbs is that if the price of gas goes up, like it did recently, you are very much out of luck. I know people who drive an hour into Sacramento every day, and they were hurting very bad when gas was almost 5 a gallon.
    The Makeout Hobo is real, and does indeed travel around the country in his van and make out with ladies... If you meet the Makeout Hobo, it is customary to greet him with a shot of whiskey and a high five (if you are a dude) or passionate makeouts (if you are a lady).

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