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Thread: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
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    So what are the problems specifically with private ownership of transit?

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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I just want to know how far you're willing to interpret things in the constitution.
    I'll take it on a case by case basis, but to point out every time you talk about the constitution, you're interpreting it. Everyone.


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    Like I said, if you think you can do better you're welcome to, but what I'm most concerned about is making sure people can get around cheaply, and the current system does that.
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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Like I said, if you think you can do better you're welcome to, but what I'm most concerned about is making sure people can get around cheaply, and the current system does that.
    And it encourages a kind of living that isn't sustainable. When it's cheaper than it should be, then you have people living further away from their jobs than they should be.

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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    So what are the problems specifically with private ownership of transit?
    It will end up being a monopoly due to the barriers of entry associated with diminishing returns to scale(as more and more firms enter the market) . Even if multiple firms orginate, horizontal integration is the future because of the nature of such a transportation industry.
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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    It will end up being a monopoly due to the barriers of entry associated with diminishing returns to scale(as more and more firms enter the market) . Even if multiple firms orginate, horizontal integration is the future because of the nature of such a transportation industry.
    I think that this is still under the framework of roads that are paid for by a gas tax. If we had roads that were tolled based on traffic capacity (or other measures, if it was run like a private company) then the rail line would also have to compete with the road. It's not really a monopoly at that point.

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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I think that this is still under the framework of roads that are paid for by a gas tax. If we had roads that were tolled based on traffic capacity (or other measures, if it was run like a private company) then the rail line would also have to compete with the road. It's not really a monopoly at that point.
    Vertical competition? Sounds iffy to me.
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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Is there a single govt run transit system in the country that isn't in the red every year without jacking up rates?
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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    And it encourages a kind of living that isn't sustainable. When it's cheaper than it should be, then you have people living further away from their jobs than they should be.
    It's not as simple as you make it out to be. Lots of people who take the bus live in poorer neighborhoods. There's not a lot of jobs in those neighborhoods. The bus lets them go to where the jobs are. For instance, take a mall. A mall easily has hundreds of jobs there. People come from all over the city to work at a busy mall, and the bus system makes sure people from poorer neighborhoods can go to job clusters like a mall. If poorer people (who are more likely to not drive) are limited to their neighborhoods, there's not much they can do. And if they can't get to where the jobs are, they can't contribute to the economy, or make enough to life themselves to a higher rung on the ladder.
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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    It's not as simple as you make it out to be. Lots of people who take the bus live in poorer neighborhoods. There's not a lot of jobs in those neighborhoods. The bus lets them go to where the jobs are. For instance, take a mall. A mall easily has hundreds of jobs there. People come from all over the city to work at a busy mall, and the bus system makes sure people from poorer neighborhoods can go to job clusters like a mall. If poorer people (who are more likely to not drive) are limited to their neighborhoods, there's not much they can do. And if they can't get to where the jobs are, they can't contribute to the economy, or make enough to life themselves to a higher rung on the ladder.
    Could that have anything to do with subsidized transportation?

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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Vertical competition? Sounds iffy to me.
    It's what government transit agencies are effectively trying to do now; get more people on rail by taking people off of the road.

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