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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    But the cities are spread out because of government planning, not because of some market force. We need a government solution because of a government created problem? I don't like it.

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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    But the cities are spread out because of government planning, not because of some market force. We need a government solution because of a government created problem? I don't like it.
    I am not saying a solution per say. I was thinking free public transportation for those living in poverty. You cannot expect someone to get a job if they cannot get to that job in the first place.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    I am not saying a solution per say. I was thinking free public transportation for those living in poverty. You cannot expect someone to get a job if they cannot get to that job in the first place.
    If they're that poor then they should probably move closer to the job so that they don't have to pay so much. That's what you would get with a free market mechanism. Only the richest could live far away from the city because it's an expensive way of life.

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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    It is not nearly as simple as "getting a job close to home". Or are you saying all poor people should live by their work, grocery store, etc...? Well doesn't that sound just swell
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    It is not nearly as simple as "getting a job close to home". Or are you saying all poor people should live by their work, grocery store, etc...? Well doesn't that sound just swell
    I'm saying that we should live within our means, and that currently city planning and government monopolies does not allow that to happen.

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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I'm saying that we should live within our means, and that currently city planning and government monopolies does not allow that to happen.
    People not living within their means has almost NOTHING to do with government monopolies etc.... You cannot blame government for everything man. I do agree that people should! But what they should do and what they actually do are not always equal.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    People not living within their means has almost NOTHING to do with government monopolies etc.... You cannot blame government for everything man. I do agree that people should! But what they should do and what they actually do are not always equal.
    In this case, yeah, it is the government. It was actually through urban planning that I gained my political beliefs. Government intervention leads to negative results via:

    Zoning Laws
    Subsidized roadways
    Subsidized railways
    Minimum parking requirements
    Below market-rate on-street parking
    Tax credits for home ownership
    Affordable housing requirements

    In this case more than any other government intervention is the culprit in our poor city form.

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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    But the cities are spread out because of government planning, not because of some market force. We need a government solution because of a government created problem? I don't like it.
    cities are spreadout because transportation technology makes it possible.

    New York is densely populated because it developed when muscle powered transport. Los Angeles is spread out because it didn't begin growing until the advent of the automobile.

    If someone were to plan a city for five million people starting from scratch using today's technology, it wouldn't look like any city on the planet, because cities evolve with technology but also try to keep their roots.

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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    cities are spreadout because transportation technology makes it possible.

    New York is densely populated because it developed when muscle powered transport. Los Angeles is spread out because it didn't begin growing until the advent of the automobile.
    LA was already pretty big before the start of the growth of roads over here. LA already was hosting the 1932 Olympics. LA actually had the largest interurban rail system in the world before it was torn up because of government building the freeway system. Was LA still spread out back then? Yeah, but it would have been much more polycentric rather than the sprawl development of which LA typifies so well.

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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Amazing, yet, what you've failed to do is explain why the government has to run a transit system, and where the Constitution authorizes Amtrak, to name one.

    For some reason, privately own transit was sufficient until the goonions showed up.

    Post-goonion, no bus company could make a profit.

    Goonionized destruction of private industry is not a reason for the government to take over goonionized industries. People ride government owned buses only because those are the only buses in town. What fools are going to buy Government Motors cars?
    The Constitution doesn't endorse any policy, except slavery, which was amended out. It's a very rough blueprint, not a document that goes into policy nitty gritty. Though one could argue that amtrak, which crosses state lines and is important for commerce, can be justified somewhere in the constitution... Now where could that be...

    And you're welcome to buy a few buses and start your own bus line. No one is stopping you, if you think you can do it better.

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