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Thread: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    What, in the day before automated transportation?
    We don't have automated transportation now.

    We have bus drivers and pilots and etc how run the machines.

    They're no different than the guys who drove the horse drawn wagons.

    Where do you think the word "Teamster" came from?

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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    We don't have automated transportation now.

    We have bus drivers and pilots and etc how run the machines.

    They're no different than the guys who drove the horse drawn wagons.

    Where do you think the word "Teamster" came from?
    The demands of a major industrialized, urban, interconnected society is much different than those of a small, decentralized rural society.
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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    So what you're saying is that a private bus system would be too expensive compared to the current system. right?
    No.

    What he said was the monopoly already in place prohibits effective competition.

    Naturally, said monopoly requires government force to exist, but that's true of all coercive monopolies.

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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    The demands of a major industrialized, urban, interconnected society is much different than those of a small, decentralized rural society.
    No, they're not.

    People have to get to work, they either move their own bodies or pay someone to move them.

    But clearly the people that founded the United States figured that it wasn't the government's job to move people around.

    You'll note they didn't create any government subsidized passenger runs from Baltimore to Liverpool in the 1790's. If some girl wanted to go see where the Beatles would be playing 170 years in the future, she had to buy her own ticket to ride.

    (ahem)

    So, the United States was founded in part on the assumption that people who wanted to travel could do so at their own expense....or STAY HOME.

    That's a good idea, we should have stuck with it.

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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    If it was so essential, why didn't the federal government do it under Thomas Jefferson?
    I can't speak for your country.

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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Jeepneys worked quite well in Subic Bay.

    Why couldn't they work in Singapore?
    Jeepneys are for 3rd world countries. Comparing Subic Bay or Clark with Singapore is like comparing Boston with Afghanistan.

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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No, they're not.

    People have to get to work, they either move their own bodies or pay someone to move them.

    But clearly the people that founded the United States figured that it wasn't the government's job to move people around.

    You'll note they didn't create any government subsidized passenger runs from Baltimore to Liverpool in the 1790's. If some girl wanted to go see where the Beatles would be playing 170 years in the future, she had to buy her own ticket to ride.

    (ahem)

    So, the United States was founded in part on the assumption that people who wanted to travel could do so at their own expense....or STAY HOME.

    That's a good idea, we should have stuck with it.
    In 1700's America, there wasn't often much reason to travel much. Most people worked at home or damned close. Most business was conducted in your own city if you were urban. If you were rural, you didn't travel further than the closest town very often. And when you showed up somewhere was much less important. You didn't have suburbs, you didn't have heavy freeway congestion, you didn't have a culture that is reliant on the automobile like we are now. In their day you could get anywhere you needed to go on foot. Such is not the case today. Now days the economy is much more interconnected and we have a system that reflects that.

    Besides, limiting our policy to exactly to what the founding fathers would have passed is disingenuous. Time changes and the world changes with it. What changes do you think should be made to account for our vastly different economy and social structure?
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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    In 1700's America, there wasn't often much reason to travel much. Most people worked at home or damned close. Most business was conducted in your own city if you were urban. If you were rural, you didn't travel further than the closest town very often. And when you showed up somewhere was much less important. You didn't have suburbs, you didn't have heavy freeway congestion, you didn't have a culture that is reliant on the automobile like we are now. In their day you could get anywhere you needed to go on foot. Such is not the case today. Now days the economy is much more interconnected and we have a system that reflects that.

    Besides, limiting our policy to exactly to what the founding fathers would have passed is disingenuous. Time changes and the world changes with it. What changes do you think should be made to account for our vastly different economy and social structure?
    Amazing, yet, what you've failed to do is explain why the government has to run a transit system, and where the Constitution authorizes Amtrak, to name one.

    For some reason, privately own transit was sufficient until the goonions showed up.

    Post-goonion, no bus company could make a profit.

    Goonionized destruction of private industry is not a reason for the government to take over goonionized industries. People ride government owned buses only because those are the only buses in town. What fools are going to buy Government Motors cars?

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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    In 1700's America, there wasn't often much reason to travel much. Most people worked at home or damned close. Most business was conducted in your own city if you were urban. If you were rural, you didn't travel further than the closest town very often. And when you showed up somewhere was much less important. You didn't have suburbs, you didn't have heavy freeway congestion, you didn't have a culture that is reliant on the automobile like we are now. In their day you could get anywhere you needed to go on foot. Such is not the case today. Now days the economy is much more interconnected and we have a system that reflects that.

    Besides, limiting our policy to exactly to what the founding fathers would have passed is disingenuous. Time changes and the world changes with it. What changes do you think should be made to account for our vastly different economy and social structure?
    Did you ever stop to think that maybe our cities are the way they are today because of that government intervention? Who build the roads? Who subsidizes suburban living?

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    Re: Should the government be in charge of public transportation?

    How about other? There could be areas in which public transit would need to operate at a loss in order to operate (weird i know). There are multiple reasons for such instances: large spread out city, infrastructure debt, lower fuel cost (makes driving cheaper), dry counties, etc....

    However, i believe private/public transportation could flourish in the majority of US cities. It should be noted that when you leave out the various subways, train systems, and taxis, public transportation, in the US, income is a heavy determinant in ones demand.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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