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  • Theodore Roosevelt

    3 1.90%
  • Woodrow Wilson

    12 7.59%
  • Herbert Hoover

    18 11.39%
  • Franklin Delano Roosevelt

    26 16.46%
  • Harry Truman

    1 0.63%
  • Lyndon Baines Johnson

    3 1.90%
  • Richard Nixon

    15 9.49%
  • James Earl Carter

    38 24.05%
  • William Jefferson Clinton

    6 3.80%
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    36 22.78%
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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I'm a little surprised I'm one of only 2 people to name Johnson at this point, between his ill-fated war on poverty and Vietnam.
    I went to summer camp with LBJs grandson. His name is Ted Nugent.....no kidding....and yes we all joked about it.

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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I'm a little surprised I'm one of only 2 people to name Johnson at this point, between his ill-fated war on poverty and Vietnam.
    Johnson is out of the running for me because he can't top Wilson, who got us into a war that we had no business being in and also started up another central bank which is disastrous for growth. He started a progressive income tax, farm subsidies, instituted the draft, instituted many fascist programs (like controlling the railroads and supervising food production, though these may have been necessary for the war), and established a policy of "internationalism" instead of neutrality.

    It's hard for me to vote for Wilson though. Wilson was a big push toward the big government that we have today, but Harding and Coolidge did bring it back somewhat. Hoover and FDR really sealed the deal though. For me, it's between Wilson and FDR and I just can't single out one as being worse.
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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Johnson is out of the running for me because he can't top Wilson, who got us into a war that we had no business being in and also started up another central bank which is disastrous for growth. He started a progressive income tax, farm subsidies, instituted the draft, instituted many fascist programs (like controlling the railroads and supervising food production, though these may have been necessary for the war), and established a policy of "internationalism" instead of neutrality.

    It's hard for me to vote for Wilson though. Wilson was a big push toward the big government that we have today, but Harding and Coolidge did bring it back somewhat. Hoover and FDR really sealed the deal though. For me, it's between Wilson and FDR and I just can't single out one as being worse.
    Well, lets look at that. Hoover essentially destroyed our economy. FDR essentially saved our economy.

    Hoover faced the very beginning of the events that lead to WWII.

    FDR faced, and won WWII.

    Hmm.....
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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Well, lets look at that. Hoover essentially destroyed our economy. FDR essentially saved our economy.

    Hoover faced the very beginning of the events that lead to WWII.
    The Federal Reserve destroyed our economy and FDR would not allow a correction. He lengthened the depression by a great deal.

    FDR faced, and won WWII.

    Hmm.....
    That's quite an oversimplification don't you think?

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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The Federal Reserve destroyed our economy and FDR would not allow a correction. He lengthened the depression by a great deal.



    That's quite an oversimplification don't you think?
    I simplified it all because I don't want to get into a lenghty debate.

    The Fed Reserve only has so much power. While their incompetence can do plenty of damage, you need other incompetent people in high places to reach a disaster measuring up to the Great Depression.

    The way I see it, WWII started with FDR, and it ended (at least in Europe) with FDR. Truman only had to drop bombs to end it in the Pacific.
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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I simplified it all because I don't want to get into a lenghty debate.

    The Fed Reserve only has so much power. While their incompetence can do plenty of damage, you need other incompetent people in high places to reach a disaster measuring up to the Great Depression.
    Yeah, you also need Hoover and FDR mucking things up and not allowing a correction to occur. They thought that high wages brought prosperity. They had it backwards.

    The way I see it, WWII started with FDR, and it ended (at least in Europe) with FDR. Truman only had to drop bombs to end it in the Pacific.
    Lol, the fact that it started with FDR is a bad thing.

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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Well, lets look at that. Hoover essentially destroyed our economy. FDR essentially saved our economy.

    Hoover faced the very beginning of the events that lead to WWII.

    FDR faced, and won WWII.

    Hmm.....

    FDR didn't win WWII. FDR was the President at the time and had a hand in it, but it was the Generals and Soldiers that won WWII

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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Yeah, you also need Hoover and FDR mucking things up and not allowing a correction to occur. They thought that high wages brought prosperity. They had it backwards.

    Lol, the fact that it started with FDR is a bad thing.
    Oh, yes the market would have fixed itself without FDR helping. It just would have taken...40 or 50 years, thats all. Yeah, I can imagine some poor politician saying, "In the long-run, you'll all thank me!"

    The fact that the seeds of strife were planted with Hoover, and sprouted during FDR's strife with the economy says enough.
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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    FDR didn't win WWII. FDR was the President at the time and had a hand in it, but it was the Generals and Soldiers that won WWII
    Yeah...FDR just appointed all the top leaders, like Eisenhower. FDR also played a big hand in coordination with the British and Soviets, which was absolutely necessary to win the war. FDR wasn't fighting or commanding troops, I'll give you that, but he was the man behind the commanders. There is a reason the President is known as the CINC.
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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Yeah...FDR just appointed all the top leaders, like Eisenhower. FDR also played a big hand in coordination with the British and Soviets, which was absolutely necessary to win the war. FDR wasn't fighting or commanding troops, I'll give you that, but he was the man behind the commanders. There is a reason the President is known as the CINC.
    FDR appointed which Military Commanders? And I do believe it was Eisenhower who did most of the Negotiating with Stalin and Soviet High Command. Just because one in CINC doesn't necessarily mean anything. Clearly Bush and Obama are contemporary examples of this.

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