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  • Theodore Roosevelt

    3 1.90%
  • Woodrow Wilson

    12 7.59%
  • Herbert Hoover

    18 11.39%
  • Franklin Delano Roosevelt

    26 16.46%
  • Harry Truman

    1 0.63%
  • Lyndon Baines Johnson

    3 1.90%
  • Richard Nixon

    15 9.49%
  • James Earl Carter

    38 24.05%
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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Oh, so the governmnent, without Constitutional authority can feel free to risk taxpayer's money whenever it wants for any private enterprise with the political clout to swing it, and that's okay with you, is it?

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    Did you find in the constitution where the government is not allowed to make a loan guarantee?

    The Chrysler guaranteed loan bailout was nothing compared to Reagan's $160 billion Savings and loan bailout or Bush's $700 billion Wall St bailout. Your outrage is misdirected and bordering on ridiculous
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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Did you find in the constitution where the government is not allowed to make a loan guarantee?

    The Chrysler guaranteed loan bailout was nothing compared to Reagan's $160 billion Savings and loan bailout or Bush's $700 billion Wall St bailout. Your outrage is misdirected and bordering on ridiculous
    He told you! The 10th amendment! If it's not specifically listed, then the federal government cannot do it. And who here has been defending Reagan's actions?!

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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    He told you! The 10th amendment! If it's not specifically listed, then the federal government cannot do it. And who here has been defending Reagan's actions?!
    Sorry to pick details, but it doesn't say "specifically listed." Implied powers, a concept which goes back to the founding fathers, still count. Notice it doesn't say "explicit" like the AOC did, if I remember correctly.
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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    The argument is that the gipper was the worst president? Even with Carter to compare him with?

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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Cite the article and clause that states it is illegal for the government to guarantee loans to private businesses.
    You can't.

    While you are at it see if you can find anything about the constitutionality of government subsidies. The government handing out billions is much worse than guaranteeing a loan.
    Your argument is that the collection of powers and people implementing them (Government) has all rights that are not expressly forbidden them? You are confusing the political structure of the united states with one that does not exist. You believe that the U.S. operates under a Democracy, in which the majority rules; Instead of what it is, a Republic, the rule of law.

    The government of the U.S. is authorised certain powers by the people thru the constatation. If it is not in the constatation, it is not a law, it is not a power government has and is illegal.
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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    He told you! The 10th amendment! If it's not specifically listed, then the federal government cannot do it. And who here has been defending Reagan's actions?!
    The 9th and the 10th amendments have never been tested much in the supreme court. If you read some of the cases in the supreme court pertaining to them then you will find that they are mostly gibberish and double talk.

    The court is afraid to go there.

    One thing for sure. The Federal government trumps local governments. No matter what.

    Look at the medical marijuana issue as an example.

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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    Quote Originally Posted by Io0011 View Post
    Your argument is that the collection of powers and people implementing them (Government) has all rights that are not expressly forbidden them? You are confusing the political structure of the united states with one that does not exist. You believe that the U.S. operates under a Democracy, in which the majority rules; Instead of what it is, a Republic, the rule of law.

    The government of the U.S. is authorised certain powers by the people thru the constatation. If it is not in the constatation, it is not a law, it is not a power government has and is illegal.
    What is the constatation? You seem to be confused.
    The words "general welfare" in the Preamble is so vague that it gives almost unlimited power to the federal government. The government can do what it wants if it believes it is for the general welfare of the nation. Pretty much all the bailouts are covered under this. All social programs and almost everything the government does. The founding fathers should have been more specific and we would not be in the mess we are now.
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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    Quote Originally Posted by Io0011 View Post
    The argument is that the gipper was the worst president? Even with Carter to compare him with?
    No, the argument is if the first Chrysler bailout which cost taxpayers nothing was worse than the savings and loan bailout which cost the taxpayers $180 billion.
    Carter and Reagan were about equally bad as presidents.
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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Did you find in the constitution where the government is not allowed to make a loan guarantee?
    Yes.

    Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    The Chrysler guaranteed loan bailout was nothing compared to Reagan's $160 billion Savings and loan bailout or Bush's $700 billion Wall St bailout. Your outrage is misdirected and bordering on ridiculous
    You mean the S&L Bailout necessitated by acts from the Keating Five or that the Federal government had no business bailing them out then, either, and the Wall Street Bailout that Bush shouldn't have done?

    Good strawmen you have there. Why you want to pretend I espouse those positions, when it's clear I do not, is a mystery, but maybe you can only win arguments with yourself?

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