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  • Herbert Hoover

    18 11.39%
  • Franklin Delano Roosevelt

    26 16.46%
  • Harry Truman

    1 0.63%
  • Lyndon Baines Johnson

    3 1.90%
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    15 9.49%
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    38 24.05%
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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Of course.

    Reagan led the recovery from Carter's Disaster Area, whupped the Soviet Union without a major war, and showed the nation that socialism isn't necessary.

    Naturally the Left hates him unreservedly.


    Reagan also increased the debt more than any other president in history, besides for FDR in relation to the time. But of course roosevelt had the great depression and world war 2 to deal with, Reagan had Nicaragua. Reagan funded the Mujahideen in Afghanistan against a crumbling Soviet Union. He funded Saddam against Iran. He deregulated the economy, and that trend of deregulation continued until 2008 and caused the financial crisis. In fact Reagan was a trend setter, he was an advocate of both deficit spending and deregulation, which are both at the root of all our economic problems today.


    And last but not least, the idea that reagan whupped the Soviet Union is idiotic. The Soviet Union was a diseased and crumbling state when Reagan took office. Even at the height of it's power, the Soviet Union was held together through force and the threat of force. What caused the collapse of the Soviet Union was Gorbachev removing that threat of force. When he did so, the Soviet Union fell very quickly. The collapse of the Soviet Union had very little to do with Ronald Reagan, and had very much to do with the fact that the Soviet system was terrible from the beginning.

    So knowing that the idea that Reagan's great claim to fame, that he brought about the collapse of the soviet union, is a load of crap. What are we left with? A president whose policies created the taliban and Al Qaeda. A president who funded Saddam Hussein. A president whose economic policies have proven disastrous over time. Even if you reject my claim that his economic policies led to failure, there is no denying the other things I said. Which means Reagan was at best an average president, and at worst a bad president(though I don't think the worst president).
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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Oh, yes the market would have fixed itself without FDR helping. It just would have taken...40 or 50 years, thats all. Yeah, I can imagine some poor politician saying, "In the long-run, you'll all thank me!"

    The fact that the seeds of strife were planted with Hoover, and sprouted during FDR's strife with the economy says enough.
    What recession lasted 40 or 50 years?

    Explain the early 1920s recession. Go.

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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    What recession lasted 40 or 50 years?

    Explain the early 1920s recession. Go.
    I wasn't talking about the recession. I was talking about how the Great Depression's affects on our economy would have lasted a hell of a lot longer if FDR hadn't instilled confidence in the banking system, if he hadn't implemented countless agencies, plenty of which are still around, to help the people out, and on top of all that, WWII allowed FDR to tell companies to start making war-time goods, like Shermans, and Garands.

    If nothing had been done, like plenty of conservatives advocated, then the effects would have lasted far longer, and our economy would be considerably weaker today. On the other hand, if FDR's measures had failed, then you could have said, "I told you so." But, they didn't.
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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I wasn't talking about the recession. I was talking about how the Great Depression's affects on our economy would have lasted a hell of a lot longer if FDR hadn't instilled confidence in the banking system, if he hadn't implemented countless agencies, plenty of which are still around, to help the people out, and on top of all that, WWII allowed FDR to tell companies to start making war-time goods, like Shermans, and Garands.

    If nothing had been done, like plenty of conservatives advocated, then the effects would have lasted far longer, and our economy would be considerably weaker today. On the other hand, if FDR's measures had failed, then you could have said, "I told you so." But, they didn't.
    Ha, you ignored it, funny. Explain the early 1920s recession.

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    joke Re: Worst 20th Century President

    George W. Bush

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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Ha, you ignored it, funny. Explain the early 1920s recession.
    The fact that we were tied into the world economy means we went down along with it. Europe hurt us, since it's economy was devastated by WWI. We were pretty lucky to have our industry on the other side of the Atlantic, or we would have had a lot more damage done to our economy. Anyway, since we were tied into Europe's economy, when they started experiencing economic growth, around 1926 or so, we were well out of the recession.
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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    Quote Originally Posted by firestorm View Post
    George W. Bush
    There are a lot worse. Honestly, Jimmy Carter and Herbert Hoover. Respective worsts for their parties.
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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    The fact that we were tied into the world economy means we went down along with it. Europe hurt us, since it's economy was devastated by WWI. We were pretty lucky to have our industry on the other side of the Atlantic, or we would have had a lot more damage done to our economy. Anyway, since we were tied into Europe's economy, when they started experiencing economic growth, around 1926 or so, we were well out of the recession.
    The Fed also signifcantly raised interest rates. Thanks to Harding's hands off approach, the market mostly recovered by 1923, years before Europe
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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Why is it politically correct for you to claim political correctness when you don't agree with somebody not glamorizing and giving American policy a mythological status it doesn't deserve?
    I don't know about it being "pollitically correct" but I believe America, after 40 years of standing in front of the Soviet Union, deserves a bit of credit for forcing it into the situation that brought the Berlin Wall down. Denying Middle Eastern oil? Aiding Asian militaires? Aiding Afghani fighters? Beating the influential race in the Middle East? Denying them access in the South Americas? Embarrasing them over the Cuban Missle Crisis? Glamorizing has nothing to do with it.

    But groveling to the opinions of international feelings about how America is supposed to be denied any credit is politically correct, isn't it?
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    Re: Worst 20th Century President

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There are a lot of reasons the Soviet Union fell apart, and Reagan's policies where a part of it, .....but not the largest part, and most likely it was going to happen no matter who was president at the time. While the US certainly deserves credit for winning the cold war, the Soviet Union is also largely responsible, due to their own problems. It's not "political correctness" to want to be accurate.
    BS. 40 years of denying the Soviets their party is exactly what saw them overburdened and at an end. Reagan was the icing. "Politicial correctness" has people seeking anything that will agree with international anti-American cheers these days.

    Tell you what....you take America out of the equation going back to 1945 and consider where the Soviet Union would be in 1989.
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