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Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

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I always thought a silent majority had two requirements.

1. To actually be a majority
2. To be silent.


The religious right comes nowhere NEAR fitting either of these categories. They are an extremely loud minority.
 
I think that both nationally and globally, organized religion is dying a slow death (don't worry, it'll definitely outlive all of us), and the rise in extremism we see today is merely a bunch of small-scale backlashes against religion's slow, inevitable decline.
I think humanity is evolving beyond the need for it, and maybe even beyond the capacity for it.
 
I love seeing liberals underestimating the power of the Religious Right in America. It is actually pretty hilarious. The Left can continue their marginalization of the Right, and when the revolution hits them, their heads will spin faster than Barack's when he is informed about the intricacies of US foreign policy. ;)
 
Why should anyone be silent as the secular left continues to define our culture & society on their terms - pleasant to them, in the face of a few hundred of years of history that paints quite a different picture?
 
K-1 said:
I love seeing liberals underestimating the power of the Religious Right in America. It is actually pretty hilarious. The Left can continue their marginalization of the Right, and when the revolution hits them, their heads will spin faster than Barack's when he is informed about the intricacies of US foreign policy. ;)
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Like many on the militant left the religious right is a bunch of loud mouthed punks with no bite. Ive seen street gangs that have more balls that both of these groups of clowns.
 
K-1 said:
I love seeing liberals underestimating the power of the Religious Right in America. It is actually pretty hilarious. The Left can continue their marginalization of the Right, and when the revolution hits them, their heads will spin faster than Barack's when he is informed about the intricacies of US foreign policy. ;)
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Oooh, scawy. :roll:
What are they gonna do, beat us up with their friggin' Bibles or something?
 
Navy Pride said:
Everyone can see the friction between the left and the silent majority or the religious right in this country so the question begs to be asked.........
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Not until they learn how to spell "religious". :( I have a feeling they'd be too busy drinking bud light and wanking to Rev. Ted Haggart webcam videos to trouble themselves with a revolution even if they had that level of intelligence.

BTW, the majority of Americans aren't extremely religious in practice. I do think though that an anti-fundie religious revolution has already started.
 
Most Americans don't have to be Bible thumpers in order for the "religious right" to be a threat. Most Europeans in the Dark Ages didn't read the Bible at all (actually, they couldn't). RRers themselves are hypocrites who to a huge extent don't practice what they preach. What they do represent is a hardcore manifestation of authoritarianism. Unfortunately, authoritarianism is nowhere close to gone.

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EpicDude86 said:
I CAN HAS PRISON POPULATION CHART TOO!

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Yes, but yours only further reinforces my point. Most of that violent crime also has to with authoritarian repression, such as the idiotic "War on Drugs" (which spawns a black market sector rife with gangsterism).

If the problem were confined to a handful of hicks, Dubya would have gotten nowhere near the presidency. For another example, America, even in many blue states, would also not be throwing people into prison for marijuana possession.

I know it's easier to pretend that everything is OK, that the daddy state is on your side and only the "extremists" are a problem. But I'd rather not be a coward and a fool.
 
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Sov said:
Yes, but yours only further reinforces my point. Most of that violent crime also has to with authoritarian repression, such as the idiotic "War on Drugs" (which spawns a black market sector rife with gangsterism).

If the problem were confined to a handful of hicks, Dubya would have gotten nowhere near the presidency. For another example, America, even in many blue states, would also not be throwing people into prison for marijuana possession.
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I just like posting stuff from the BJS. I'm still trying to figure out exactly why we're talking about prison population again?
 
Sov said:
Most Americans don't have to be Bible thumpers in order for the "religious right" to be a threat.
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The hardcore religious right is no threat to the American people, trust me. In 15-20 years I predict they'll have about as much mainstream relevance as the KKK and NAMBLA.

There certainly won't be any Christian jihad like the OP's wet dreaming about, since true blue hardcore fundies who'd be willing to declare a jihad, make up probably less than 5% of the evangelical population. The rest are either uneducated beerbelly rednecks who wouldn't be bothered to start a jihad if it meant missing NASCAR, or phonies like Rev. Ted Haggart and the Catholic pedo priests who do kinkier stuff than most gay strippers when the media's not around.

Sov said:
Most Europeans in the Dark Ages didn't read the Bible at all (actually, they couldn't).
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Sov said:
RRers themselves are hypocrites who to a huge extent don't practice what they preach. What they do represent is a hardcore manifestation of authoritarianism. Unfortunately, authoritarianism is nowhere close to gone.

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Fundies are so universally mocked, that they best they could do if they wanted a "revolution' is blow up a building like their fellow jihadists did on 9/11. They have no chance of actually destroying America. And the fact that these loons are even bringing this idea up just further confirms to me that fundamentalism is dying. I'm not worried.
 
EpicDude86 said:
I just like posting stuff from the BJS. I'm still trying to figure out exactly why we're talking about prison population again?
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Because there wouldn't be a huge prison population without the criminalization of victimless crimes, which supports my point that the system itself is authoritarian, not merely extremists on the fringe. Even if organized religion is on the decline, this is not necessarily true of the underlying tendencies which gave raise to organized religion in the first place. Vulnerability to fear-based politics, moral panic, lack of critical thinking, submission to authority figures, etc. Throwing people in prison for possessing marijuana is just as stupid as imprisoning people for sodomy.
 
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Sov said:
Because there wouldn't be a huge prison population without the criminalization of victimless crimes, which supports my point that the system itself is authoritarian, not merely extremists on the fringe. Even if organized religion is on the decline, this is not necessarily true of the underlying tendencies which gave raise to organized religion in the first place. Vulnerability to fear-based politics, moral panic, lack of critical thinking, submission to authority figures, etc. Throwing people in prison for possessing marijuana is just as stupid as imprisoning people for sodomy.
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For the most part I agree, but the rising prison population isn't tied to just one major factor. What I do feel the need to point out is that sodomy is not a victimless crime like smoking weed...Definitions of sodomy may be stupid or arbitrary, but there are very harmful examples of sodomy.
 
Toothpicvic said:
The hardcore religious right is no threat to the American people, trust me. In 15-20 years I predict they'll have about as much mainstream relevance as the KKK and NAMBLA.
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I actually wish I could agree with you. I originally jumped in this thread to mess with the holy rollers.
Toothpicvic said:
There certainly won't be any Christian jihad like the OP's wet dreaming about, since true blue hardcore fundies who'd be willing to declare a jihad, make up probably less than 5% of the evangelical population. The rest are either uneducated beerbelly rednecks who wouldn't be bothered to start a jihad if it meant missing NASCAR, or phonies like Rev. Ted Haggart and the Catholic pedo priests who do kinkier stuff than most gay strippers when the media's not around.
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This is true of religious fundamentalists everywhere, even in Saudi Arabia and Iran. In those countries the men in power will hang women for "conduct incompatible with chastity" and then go back inside to have sex with their harems of teenage prostitutes. That they are rank hypocrites doesn't keep them from being oppressive and destructive. You will not find any religious regime, on matter how "extreme," which is not riddled with corruption and hypocrisy.
Toothpicvic said:
Fundies are so universally mocked, that they best they could do if they wanted a "revolution' is blow up a building like their fellow jihadists did on 9/11. They have no chance of actually destroying America. And the fact that these loons are even bringing this idea up just further confirms to me that fundamentalism is dying. I'm not worried.
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I wish I could agree with you, and you may be right that forms of fundamentalism are dying, but what about the essence that gave rise to those forms? Organized religion developed out of authoritarian tendencies and structures that, to a good extent, already had to be there as a foundation. If fundies are so universally mocked, it is curious that McCain/Palin got a majority of the white vote. If Palin couldn't turn most white voters off then who will? Even if most people do not attend church regularly, most people are not adept at critical thinking or immune from authoritarian appeals that play on moral panic either. Most of those patriotards you see at tea party parades probably couldn't name all the books in the Bible, but they're still assholes.
 
EpicDude86 said:
For the most part I agree, but the rising prison population isn't tied to just one major factor. What I do feel the need to point out is that sodomy is not a victimless crime like smoking weed...Definitions of sodomy may be stupid or arbitrary, but there are very harmful examples of sodomy.
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Sodomy = anal sex
 
Toothpicvic said:
Sodomy = anal sex
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Legally, in most states sodomy includes oral sex... as well as other things.
In most Southern states at least, the legal definition of "sodomy" includes everything but missionary style penile/vaginal intercourse.
It's a catch-all phrase meaning "deviant sex".

You heard right: blowjobs are against the law.
Or were, at least in my state; I think that may have finally been overturned in 2001.
 
1069 said:
Legally, in most states sodomy includes oral sex... as well as other things.
In most Southern states at least, the legal definition of "sodomy" includes everything but missionary style penile/vaginal intercourse.
It's a catch-all phrase meaning "deviant sex".

You heard right: blowjobs are against the law.
Or were, at least in my state; I think that may have finally been overturned in 2001.
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Consensual sex in the missionary position?

EWWW GROSS! Nobody wants to do that!
 
1069 said:
You heard right: blowjobs are against the law.
Or were, at least in my state; I think that may have finally been overturned in 2001.
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Yeah that kinda took all the fun out of it:mrgreen:

BTW it was Lawrence vs Texas 2003.
 
Dav said:
It's a difference of a 9.5% decline in an 11 year period and a .7% decline in a 7 year period.

That's a rate of decline of about .85% per year in 1990-2001, and .1% per year in 2001-2008.

So yes, the decline is declining.


Also I happen to live in Northern Virginia, a very non-religious area (I can't seem to find any statistics on religion here, though).
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The decline has somewhat been countered by the large increase in numbers of catholics in Southwestern states through immigration.
 
The silenced majority said:
Make no mistake, our country was structured around a particular moral ethic. Those who framed the Constitution advised that if we were to stray away from our common moral order that we would do so at our own peril. The framers also did afford asylum to those of other religions and those with no religion at all. Therefore, it isn't a stretch to think that they would have believed atheists to be citizens - blacks well, that's another story.
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That moral ethic is shared by almost every major religion, including Wicca, and is covered by the golden rule. It is not necessary that someone be a religionist to follow the morality of the constitution (rule of law, protection of the basic civil liberties of all Americans).

In fact, the growing percentage of Americans who claim to be Christians, but who do not believe in a personal God, thus defining themselves as Deists, puts them right in line with the beliefs of one of the major drafters of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence --- Thomas Jefferson.

History fail.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
That moral ethic is shared by almost every major religion, including Wicca, and is covered by the golden rule. It is not necessary that someone be a religionist to follow the morality of the constitution (rule of law, protection of the basic civil liberties of all Americans).

In fact, the growing percentage of Americans who claim to be Christians, but who do not believe in a personal God, thus defining themselves as Deists, puts them right in line with the beliefs of one of the major drafters of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence --- Thomas Jefferson.

History fail.
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Go ahead and keep clinging to the deist notion, it serves the Christian-haters well.
 
Goshin said:
Hobo, you misread or mischaracterized Dav's position. He said:



Your quotes were about personal charity, not governmental wealth redistribution, which is exactly what Dav was talking about: Jesus promoted personal charity but did not say the government should take from the rich and give to the poor.
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Jesus said very little about what the government should do. While Judaism and Islam are in many ways civic religions, going to great lengths to describe what the government should do and how it should act, Christianity is in many ways a more personal religion, giving rules on what individuals should do, but precious few on what a society should do. But if we assume the government should do something about abortion or homosexuality or marriage, then there's no reason to suppose that we shouldn't do something about poverty. There's also no indication that Jesus intended things limited to private charity.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
In fact, the growing percentage of Americans who claim to be Christians, but who do not believe in a personal God, thus defining themselves as Deists, puts them right in line with the beliefs of one of the major drafters of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence --- Thomas Jefferson.

History fail.
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In many of his personal correspondence with his son, it seems that Jefferson may have been more atheist than deist. Though back in those days you couldn't claim atheism without major repercussions. I guess the more things change, the more things stay the same.
 
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