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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I am sorry that the truth hurts you my left wing friend but tell me what is a lefty like you doing listening to Oreilly?
    You're just angry because you got busted Navy....
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I think you might be making the mistake of giving religion too much fluidity with pro-slavery sentiment in the Americas. The attribution of certain texts, certain ideas, to support the economic system that slavery became has a much more varied past than simply "religion-->pro-slavery". From the reading I have done, religion was used in justification of slavery at different times, as numerous times it simply was not needed. In certain decades, in certain regions it was important for slave owners to Christianize slaves, to educate them so as to be proficient readers of the holy text and then at other times, such information was seen as dangerous, and barred. Remember, under God, all men are equal creations. How does that philosophic and religious sentiment mix with the Chain of Being, with its emphasis on rational hierarchy of all creations in nature? One of many conflicts, indeed!

    Reasoning for the justification of slavery varied in time and place. Sometimes, the Enlightenment's emphasis on science, on logic, on order, created the perfect justification for the character of the American slave institution. Other times, the Enlightenment was the source of freedom. Same with religion. It had its liberalizing moments, and its restrictive moments.

    On a side note: you could also take aim against your claim that it was merely fashionable to oppose slavery, as prior to that moment it was enforced. Again, it depended upon time, place, and to an extent, person. One could easily make the argument that until the heating moment in American politics, there was a sense amongst the American political establishment that at some point in time, the institution of slavery was going to be meet its expected death, but perhaps also that rapid change to a slave-free nation was a bad idea.
    There is substantive truth in just about every point you make in this post. I was being deliberately hyperbolic, basically a parody and reversal of those who blame every "evil" on atheism or irreligion. This can be tempting at times. I also had ample encouragement (pssst... you know who you are! ).

    When getting seriously analytical without succumbing to the temptation to troll probable trolls, I tend to be much more nuanced about religion. Take this post of mine regarding the role of Islam and Christianity in forced child marriage:

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    Well, when Christianity was as much of a force in those countries as Islam is in "Muslim" countries now, they had rather low ages of consent that would be considered unthinkable today. So whether it's a common trait of authoritarian monotheism or connected to regional and contextual settings detached from explicitly religious ones, Islamic theological doctrine isn't the sole suspect there.
    You are on the right track in the sense that very high authoritarianism is the pertinent factor far more than either Islam or Christianity in themselves. However, whether a low (or no) "age of consent" indicates such authoritarianism depends on other variables.

    The low (or absent) "ages of consent" of the type you are talking about (e.g., 9 in Yemen) relate to the consummation of marriage, with the marriages tending to be arranged by the family. The daughters of the family are under direct control of the patriarchs, without any pretense otherwise. Thus this type of "AoC" is not really about consent, it is more like a "ready to sell by" date. In these countries, sex outside of marriage (at least without permission of a patriarch) is illegal for girls and women.

    However, a low (or lack of a fixed) age of consent for consensual sexual activity in general is very different. In Spain, the age of consent is 13, and most of the support for raising it comes from the right. Support for lowering or eliminating AoCs is a radical plank found on the secular libertarian left, as part of anti-ageist support for youth liberation and overall sexual freedom. An example of a supporter for liberalized AoCs in the US is the very liberal Judith Levine, author of Harmful to Minors.
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    17 to 1. That is an incredible statistic. You cannot get people on this board to agree on anything, except apparently that NP is wrong on this.
    It does not surprise me Redress, as you can see almost every no is a liberal.............Sadly the Conservstives are not responding to the poll........
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    It does not surprise me Redress, as you can seee almost every no is a liberal.............Sadly the Conservstives are not responding to the poll........
    That...or they did and you simply labeled them as "liberal" because they voted no.
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    It does not surprise me Redress, as you can seee almost every no is a liberal.............Sadly the Conservstives are not responding to the poll........
    LOL....so Jamesrage, BHkad, councilman, caine, silence majority, etc. are all "liberals"?

    I guess to you they are.....
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    I only wish religous conservatives focused as much on things Jesus actually cared about, like feeding the poor and helping the needy.
    What makes you think we don't? You have no idea how much my church helps the poor and the homeless...........
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    What makes you think we don't? You have no idea how much my church helps the poor and the homeless...........
    Your church maybe does....but based on your concerns and the things that you write about on this site, it is apparent what value you put on those types of issues as opposed to the importance you put on gay marriage and other right-wing social causes.
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Honestly, what leads you to the assertion that a religious revolution is coming? I realize you probably think that this country is currently an immoral cesspool. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that a religious revolution is on the horizon.
    Good question but I believe in God and I believe he is looking down on all this going on and he can't be happy with what he sees in the moral degration that is taking place.............
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Good question but I believe in God and I believe he is looking down on all this going on and he can't be happy with what he sees in the moral degration that is taking place.............
    Why? He set the conditions to allow it. If he didn't like it, he should have used different initial conditions. His fault.

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Did it beg you?
    Go to your room Caine..............
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