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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    The decline isn't declining. It's the difference between an 11 year period and a 7 year period.

    You know what's really interesting? Look at the population shifts at the back of the publication. In some areas of the U.S., especially the northeast, the west, and the northwest, the "none's" (i.e., zero religious belief) represent 25-30% or more of the total population. So, in an area like Alabama, religious belief has declined, but not as drastically as it as in places like Wyoming, Nevada, Montana, Delaware, New Hampshire, and Maine. Those places are outright heathen.

    If you live in an area with heavy religious influence, you probably believe that religion is remaining strong. But, if you live in the Northwest, northeast, atlantic states, or the west, you're living in a place with a tremendous growth in non-religious types. It's kind of a self-affirming sentiment because America is increasingly dividing itself regionally along political and religious lines (which, not oddly, fit).

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    That is where you are incorrect. Zyphilin explains it better than I ever could here:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...servative.html
    I think you have misunderstood me. My issue is always about when Social Conservatism gets into power. When Social Conservatism is in power it is in an inherent war with Fiscal Conservatism. Social as you stated in your own post to Zyphilin wishes to impose governmental controls over aspects of private matters, thereby expanding government which is contradictory to Fiscal Conservatism which promotes the reduction in government.

    When Social has power, it promotes the growth of government to enforce its specific morality. We saw this with Dubya. And we often see it with strongly religious candidates in their platforms.

    Fiscal seeks to get government out of our lives as necessary, where Social seeks to expand government into our lives to promote is social agenda. Thus, the two are inherently contradictory in goals.

    Granted, there are social cons who don't want to push an agenda, but those are largely irrelevant.
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    That is the first I've heard about that.

    Where did you hear/read that? Can you source or substantiate this claim?
    Well, let's see if I can quickly remember everything before I catch up on some sleep.

    First Great Awakening: I first came across some of the details through an essay evaluating various political and economic contributing factors of the Salem Witch Trials, which I am not entirely sure I have neatly placed in this...cluster**** known as my desk area. It was a slight reference to the interesting take the incidents went when so far as other New England towns had other possession episodes that were seen as a demonstration of God's power, rather than evil's possession of man. It became related because of the interesting political and economic forces at work, and how one could interpret events (a long shot, but it was an observation). Then you can get some more detail from Ben Franklin's autobiography where he discusses various preachers who funnel notions favorable to what would later be the democratic republican ideal of public good.

    Though I haven't read this, Bernard Bailyn's The Ideological Origins of the American Revolution provides a specific demonstration of its utility in fostering the Republican spirit (thanks Wikipedia for every once in a great while providing an interesting source).

    Second Great Awakening: I would suggest teasing out the details in Ira Berlin's Generations of Captivity as well as Frederick Douglass Narrative of the Life of a Slave.

    There was also a PBS documentary series with David Blight as one of the talking heads that loved to capture this religiosity and its influence on abolitionism and republicanism. I wish I could remember the damn name of it.

    Shoot, I'm sure I could track down more ideas in a tiny bit. I'll just post this for now, before I tidy it up.
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The decline isn't declining. It's the difference between an 11 year period and a 7 year period.
    It's a difference of a 9.5% decline in an 11 year period and a .7% decline in a 7 year period.

    That's a rate of decline of about .85% per year in 1990-2001, and .1% per year in 2001-2008.

    So yes, the decline is declining.


    Also I happen to live in Northern Virginia, a very non-religious area (I can't seem to find any statistics on religion here, though).

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Let me break this down a bit, and throw in a few specifics...

    Q: Do you think a revolution/revolt of some sort may occur in the US within the next 20 years?

    Answer: I think it is a possibility, dependent on so many different things that I would hesitate to assign it a percentage.

    Q: Do you think, if a revolution comes as posited above, that religious conservatives will be a major influence in that revolution?

    I'd say that seems fairly probable. The religiously conservative are among those most displeased with many current trends in the US, culturally and governmentally; they are largely inclined to respect the Founders' and their revolutionary ideal; that the religiously conservative include large numbers of veterans and gun owners... so yes, it seems likely they would be one of the major influences in such a hypothetical revolution.

    If we are presuming a right-wing revolution against a left-wing government, most definately...but there would be more factions in the revolution than only the religiously conservative. There would likely be secular small-government types as well, possibly including libertarians... who would be at odds in many cases with much of the agenda religious conservatives would push for. There could very well be other influential factions as well.


    Most of the time I hope it doesn't come to revolution, armed revolt, or civil war. On bad days, I sometimes wonder why We The People have already waited so long in the face of so much bad government.


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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    I predict the coming of the God Emperor of Mankind, to unite Terra in these troubled times, and lead us on our destined path of victory across the Galaxy.

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Somebody has been reading the good book.

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Somebody has been reading the good book.
    I sure have.


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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I don't think very many people at all use the Bible itself as justification for their opposition to gay marriage and abortion. Sometimes they bring up religion, but never the Bible. In any case, I know non-Christians who oppose both, so the point is moot.
    I would say you're dead wrong on this. You really think they don't bring up religion? What about those kids protest Day of Silence with bible quotes on their shirts, or "You shall not kill" abortion protest signs?

    Positions on this issue also have nothing to do with the teachings of the Bible.
    People never use their religious text to justify their positions on religion in the public square? Really? I call bs.

    Jesus never said anything about dealing with poverty; in fact, at one point he even said, "The poor will be with us always", or something to that effect. He was more interested in the virtue of willingly giving what is yours to someone who needs it more, i.e. charity. There is nothing virtuous about giving someone else's money to the poor; that is not the kind of thing Jesus was advocating.
    "Jesus answered, If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'" Matthew 19:21

    "For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in." Matthew 25:35

    "They devour widows' houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. Such men will be punished most severely." Mark 12:40

    "But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind." Luke 14:13

    "'Why wasn't this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year's wages.' He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it." John 12:5

    "Cornelius stared at him in fear. What is it, Lord?' he asked. The angel answered, Your prayers and gifts to the poor have come up as a memorial offering before God.'" Acts 10:4

    "If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth." 1 John 3:17-18


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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Well, Well, Well. Wonder where the idea for this thread started?

    Take a look at the time posted. 7:33 PM. You know what was on TV?

    The O'Reilly Factor. In fact, right around 7:30, Bill was doing a story about this EXACT topic, featuring none other than Ann Coulter.

    Navy, get more original next time.

    I'm going to monitor all of your threads and cross-reference them to what's on Fox.
    I am sorry that the truth hurts you my left wing friend but tell me what is a lefty like you doing listening to Oreilly?
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