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Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?


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Interesting you keep pretending I'm a leftist when you repeatedly defended Bush's massive government, intrusion into private lives by the federal government and obscene liberal spending.

You can keep pretending you're a conservative, but that would require pretending.

I do think it's funny how we now make predictions based on the opposite of what you say.

It's ok, he's most likely a kid in his mom's basement. It explains a lot, actually, like his inability to use spell check, and his juvenile behavior. Or claims he makes that statistically don't work, like how his grandfather was killed by Nazis.
 
It's ok, he's most likely a kid in his mom's basement. It explains a lot, actually, like his inability to use spell check, and his juvenile behavior. Or claims he makes that statistically don't work, like how his grandfather was killed by Nazis.

That's what I thought back in 2003 at Whistlestopper. How many 70 year olds use the term "drop kick your ***?" :rofl

I sh*t you not.
 
That's what I thought back in 2003 at Whistlestopper. How many 70 year olds use the term "drop kick your ***?" :rofl

I sh*t you not.

Really? That's awesome. I dunno... he seems cranky enough, but not nearly mature or dignified...
 
The reality of this idea is that the evangelical right-wing knows that it is on the losing end of its social agenda. They are seeing the massive eroding of their fight against gay marriage which 10 years ago was not anywhere near a reality....today it is neck and neck in a number of states. Gay marriage will be a nationwide reality in the next decade.
The lost their one real chance of stacking the Supreme Court with right-wing activist judges when Obama won the election, leaving virtually zero chance that they will overturn Roe v. Wade for decades to come.


So it is no surprise that the right-wing would like to try to rile up their base to engage in a cultural religious war.
 
The reality of this idea is that the evangelical right-wing knows that it is on the losing end of its social agenda. They are seeing the massive eroding of their fight against gay marriage which 10 years ago was not anywhere near a reality....today it is neck and neck in a number of states. Gay marriage will be a nationwide reality in the next decade.
The lost their one real chance of stacking the Supreme Court with right-wing activist judges when Obama won the election, leaving virtually zero chance that they will overturn Roe v. Wade for decades to come.


So it is no surprise that the right-wing would like to try to rile up their base to engage in a cultural religious war.

No offense but even if they really wanted Roe V. Wade overturned, which they don't, there is not a chance in hell it would happen. Even with 9 conservative right wingers on SCOTUS it still wouldn't happen. It didn't happen under Bush II, Bush I or Reagan. Even if McCain/Palin had been elected there is no chance it would have happened. Because then what? Who in the right wing really wants to make abortion illegal? It simply wouldn't happen.
 
I see a lot of lefties in the no column on the poll......That makes sense....Of course they would want the status quo and for this country to go down the tubes when it comes to morality.

I personally believe the right can only stand so much of this garbage like gay marriage, abortion, and anti military shoved down their throat..........

And they'll hate it SO MUCH that they'll explode! End of reveloution!
 
No offense but even if they really wanted Roe V. Wade overturned, which they don't, there is not a chance in hell it would happen. Even with 9 conservative right wingers on SCOTUS it still wouldn't happen. It didn't happen under Bush II, Bush I or Reagan. Even if McCain/Palin had been elected there is no chance it would have happened. Because then what? Who in the right wing really wants to make abortion illegal? It simply wouldn't happen.

they use their supporters passion over things like abortion to get things like lower taxes for the top 3% passed
 
No. I think this seasaw battle between the conservative religious right and Progressive secular left will be an on-going struggle for as long as this nation stands. Our system supports it. As the great unwashed in the middle ultimately decide elections, and they consistantly become disenchanted with either side over a period of time in power, neither side can take permanent control.

It's the perfect system for the imperfect human. This is balance.
 
I see a lot of lefties in the no column on the poll......That makes sense....Of course they would want the status quo and for this country to go down the tubes when it comes to morality.

You can be moral and non-religious at the same time. I hope you realize that.

I personally believe the right can only stand so much of this garbage like gay marriage,
How is Gay Marriage immoral?

abortion,

The right has had plenty of opportunities to make abortion illegal. So far, they haven't.

and anti military shoved down their throat..........
Other than the Westboro Church (a very very far right, not left, church), I have yet to see anyone be anti-military.

PS: You can be for the troops and against a war at the same time.
 
Actually, it is not even the least bit true.

Great answer. As usual. But....

It actually is true. Social conservatives and by that I mean the religious right have been 'fighting' for the last 40 years to overturn abortion and stop pretty much any serious attempt at providing gays the same rights as straights. Is it any coincidence that the highest rates of opposition to abortion and gay marriage come from states that aren't progressive? What have they accomplished so far on a grand scale? Nothing from their social agenda really. So what are they reduced to? Trying to stop Obama's health care reform plan because they think it will fund abortions. Which it will not. You get enough people to think they're fighting for a certain cause and you can slip your own agenda in. The religious right only has about 2 points on that agenda. Interventionism in the name of God and tax cuts. That's about it. Everything else is just trivial **** they come up with to make it seem like they have people in their band thinking.
 
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If Thomas Jefferson was an atheist he wouldn't have mentioned God in the Declaration of Independence. Though I suppose his views could have changed sometime after that; there were about 25 years between when he wrote the DoI and when he became President.

Where does Jefferson mention God in the DOI?
 
Four times.

Nature's God
Creator
Supreme Judge
Divine Providence

Rather vague who's he's referring to aside from the first one which is pretty Deistic.

The Declaration of Independence

They are all extremely generic...think higher power rather than any specific religion. Which puts Jefferson's views in line with those of the 25% of Americans who believe in a generic higher power versus a personal, specific deity.
 
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Great answer. As usual. But....

It actually is true. Social conservatives and by that I mean the religious right have been 'fighting' for the last 40 years to overturn abortion and stop pretty much any serious attempt at providing gays the same rights as straights. Is it any coincidence that the highest rates of opposition to abortion and gay marriage come from states that aren't progressive? What have they accomplished so far on a grand scale? Nothing from their social agenda really. So what are they reduced to? Trying to stop Obama's health care reform plan because they think it will fund abortions. Which it will not. You get enough people to think they're fighting for a certain cause and you can slip your own agenda in. The religious right only has about 2 points on that agenda. Interventionism in the name of God and tax cuts. That's about it. Everything else is just trivial **** they come up with to make it seem like they have people in their band thinking.

Tax cuts is not a social issue, and has nothing to do with abortion and gay rights.

After the Stupak amendment or whatever that thing is called, nobody is arguing that Obama's health plan will fund abortions. They oppose it for completely unrelated reasons.

I don't really see what you're trying to argue here.
 
Four times.

Nature's God
Creator
Supreme Judge
Divine Providence

Rather vague who's he's referring to aside from the first one which is pretty Deistic.

The Declaration of Independence

Noted, though the meaning of all those terms is up to interpretation. For instance, "Creator" could be something as simple as your mother. I'm not saying there aren't allusions to God, but I'm not sure he outright affirms THE God.
 
Everyone can see the friction between the left and the silent majority or the religious right in this country so the question begs to be asked.........

Are the peace and Jesus loving Christians going to start shooting people that don't like religion, or something?

Are the peace and pot smoking liberals going to start shooting people that don't like weed, or something?
 
I really don't think, so it just that religious right is all bark and no bit imo. I have dealt with some that were just :shock: crazy asses. I do think man is indeed evolving to not have a need for religion, but I do think it will sill be around until I die at least.
 
Noted, though the meaning of all those terms is up to interpretation. For instance, "Creator" could be something as simple as your mother. I'm not saying there aren't allusions to God, but I'm not sure he outright affirms THE God.

He doesn't affirm any specific God. It is equally likely that he is talking about a generic higher power, Zeus, Enki or the Great Spirit.
 
I do think man is indeed evolving to not have a need for religion,

You think that man will evolve out of the emotion of fear then? I think that there is a distinct difference between the idea of understanding that there is no god and the emotions of wanting there to be one.
 
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