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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Honestly, what leads you to the assertion that a religious revolution is coming? I realize you probably think that this country is currently an immoral cesspool. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that a religious revolution is on the horizon.
    Especially when many of the high profile moral majority spokesmen are arguably the most immoral collection of scum on the planet. Hard to get started when your leaders are down in the pool mucking around.
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    I think the very religious in this country are well aware of the constitutional restrictions of our behavior.

    And I see a lot of irreligious people being tolerant of religion. I think they see it as preferable to young people killing each other over drugs.

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Go ask Dana if Navy is an actual conservative.
    Heh. It's funny you bring that up, because I happen to think that Dana's views on who is and isn't a "real" conservative is whack.


    And when I said that you were incorrect, I was referring to your assertion that opposition to gay marriage and abortion rights is contradictory to conservatism.

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Which is great if it's true, but that's not the point. The bible never mentions abortion (though other legal codes of the time do), and homosexuality is only mentioned a few times, and never by Jesus or anyone who ever met Jesus.
    I don't think very many people at all use the Bible itself as justification for their opposition to gay marriage and abortion. Sometimes they bring up religion, but never the Bible. In any case, I know non-Christians who oppose both, so the point is moot.

    School prayer and putting religious symbols in the public square also only have middling justification, biblically.
    Positions on this issue also have nothing to do with the teachings of the Bible.

    But if you read the bible, Jesus at every turn brings up "help the poor, help the sick, help the needy." He even says at one point "as you have treated the least of you, so have you treated me."
    Jesus didn't give two squirts about "social issues" we care about today, but social conservatives largely define themselves by these issues. When the government, which they're ok with legislating morality, tries to enact programs that help the poor, they're often the ones screaming the loudest against it. If they dedicated the energy they use to complain about abortion and gay marriage into trying to find good ways to deal with poverty and the like, we'd be a much better place.
    Jesus never said anything about dealing with poverty; in fact, at one point he even said, "The poor will be with us always", or something to that effect. He was more interested in the virtue of willingly giving what is yours to someone who needs it more, i.e. charity. There is nothing virtuous about giving someone else's money to the poor; that is not the kind of thing Jesus was advocating.

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Evidence? This thread.
    I'm not really keen on using anything on DP as evidence of some sort of trend; if it was, most of the country would be libertarian, and 6 out of 7 people would be male.


    And just because Fundamentalist Christianity will probably decline, which I agree is probable, doesn't mean that Christianity in general will decline.

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Heh. It's funny you bring that up, because I happen to think that Dana's views on who is and isn't a "real" conservative is whack.

    And when I said that you were incorrect, I was referring to your assertion that opposition to gay marriage and abortion rights is contradictory to conservatism.
    To social yes. Not fiscal/governmental. But both are inherently contradictory anyways.
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Everyone can see the friction between the left and the silent majority or the religious right in this country so the question begs to be asked.........

    Did it beg you?
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    To social yes. Not fiscal/governmental. But both are inherently contradictory anyways.
    That is where you are incorrect. Zyphilin explains it better than I ever could here:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...servative.html

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I'm not really keen on using anything on DP as evidence of some sort of trend; if it was, most of the country would be libertarian, and 6 out of 7 people would be male.


    And just because Fundamentalist Christianity will probably decline, which I agree is probable, doesn't mean that Christianity in general will decline.
    Actually, you should look at statistical data. Here's a good place to start:

    http://b27.cc.trincoll.edu/weblogs/A...eport_2008.pdf

    Americans who self-identified as Christians dropped from 84% to 76% between 1990 and 2008. That's a drop of almost 10%. The percentage of Americans who stated that they have no religion DOUBLED in the same time period, from 8.2% to 15%.

    From the Aris study:

    • 86% of American adults identified as Christians in 1990 and 76% in 2008.
    • The historic Mainline churches and denominations have experienced the steepest declines while the non-denominational Christian identity has been trending upward particularly since 2001.
    • The challenge to Christianity in the U.S. does not come from other religions but rather from a rejection of all forms of organized religion.
    • One sign of the lack of attachment of Americans to religion is that 27% do not expect a religious funeral at their death.
    • Based on their stated beliefs rather than their religious identification in 2008, 70% of Americans believe in a personal God, roughly 12% of Americans are atheist (no God) or agnostic (unknowable or unsure), and another 12% are deistic (a higher power but no personal God).


    ...Tables 4 and 5 show that there is a real and growing theological polarization in American society whereby 34 percent of the population believe they are “Born Again” but 25-30 percent reject the idea of a personal divinity. These questions on belief reveal the cultural polarization between the pious and non-religious portions of the national population, which are today roughly similar in size.
    America is now less religious than it's ever been at any point in its history.
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    ^That is all true; however, most of the decline was in the first 10 years. Now the decline is, well, declining.



    That's why I said "will decline" rather than "is declining".

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