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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Well I disagree.......It may not be a violent revolution, taking up weapons, etc, but it still will be a revolution.........I just hope I live long enough to see it .........
    Honestly, what leads you to the assertion that a religious revolution is coming? I realize you probably think that this country is currently an immoral cesspool. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that a religious revolution is on the horizon.

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Such are the proud roots of the Southern Baptists.
    Indeed! Though some have grown disillusioned and become proud Southern Satanists. Makes sense, considering that Jesus never come down from the clouds with a sword to defend their system of blatant slavery.

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sov View Post
    Indeed! Though some have grown disillusioned and become proud Southern Satanists. Makes sense, considering that Jesus never come down from the clouds with a sword to defend their system of blatant slavery.

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Everyone can see the friction between the left and the silent majority or the religious right in this country so the question begs to be asked.........
    I am going to have to say no.Probably not any of the reasons leftist and anti-religious people have said. But It is due to the fact many people who claim to be religious are not actually religious. Sure some of them go to church but goimg to church does not make you actually religious,its like parents who send to their kids to vacation bible school for two or three hours of free baby sitting. They have been convinced that the bible is nothing more than a work of fiction, that many of the rules or commandants are merely suggestions, that actual belief in the bible is comparable to terrorist in the middle east, or they buy into the notion that Jesus is a sin-all-you-want Christ-opoly card that never has to be returned back the deck or that being christian means being pussyfist. There might be a conservative revolution but not a religious one.
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sov View Post
    Among a minority of Christian groups, you mean, until (blatant) slavery became fashionable to oppose. The majority of the faithful supported it. It's no coincidence that today's Bible belt was yesterday's Confederacy. As Jefferson Davis put it, "Slavery was established by decree of Almighty God. It is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation." Unlike some Christians, he actually read the Bible. Such as at 1 Tim. 6:1-2: “Let slaves regard their masters as worthy of all honor." Or Titus 2:9-10: “Be submissive to your master and give satisfaction in every respect." Biblical law on this matter is very straightforward: “Slaves obey your master." (Ephesians 6:5; Colossians 3:22)

    Now, if someone actually wants to be a slave (for example, a sex slave, say they're into hardcore BDSM), that's fine with me. But Biblical law, on the other hand, does not require consent on the slave's part. Fathers are even expressly given permission to sell their own daughters into slavery, and the daughters are admonished to obey their fathers without question. Although it is clear that there were Christian abolitionists, it is equally clear that their abolitionism was anything but Bible-based.
    I think you might be making the mistake of giving religion too much fluidity with pro-slavery sentiment in the Americas. The attribution of certain texts, certain ideas, to support the economic system that slavery became has a much more varied past than simply "religion-->pro-slavery". From the reading I have done, religion was used in justification of slavery at different times, as numerous times it simply was not needed. In certain decades, in certain regions it was important for slave owners to Christianize slaves, to educate them so as to be proficient readers of the holy text and then at other times, such information was seen as dangerous, and barred. Remember, under God, all men are equal creations. How does that philosophic and religious sentiment mix with the Chain of Being, with its emphasis on rational hierarchy of all creations in nature? One of many conflicts, indeed!

    Reasoning for the justification of slavery varied in time and place. Sometimes, the Enlightenment's emphasis on science, on logic, on order, created the perfect justification for the character of the American slave institution. Other times, the Enlightenment was the source of freedom. Same with religion. It had its liberalizing moments, and its restrictive moments.

    On a side note: you could also take aim against your claim that it was merely fashionable to oppose slavery, as prior to that moment it was enforced. Again, it depended upon time, place, and to an extent, person. One could easily make the argument that until the heating moment in American politics, there was a sense amongst the American political establishment that at some point in time, the institution of slavery was going to be meet its expected death, but perhaps also that rapid change to a slave-free nation was a bad idea.
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post


    Looking for another "Great Awakening", Navy?
    I predict the "Great Awakening" will be an eventual economic collapse (a real one, not the one our government is trying to prop up currently).

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Incorrect on both accounts, but I won't go further off-topic unless you really want me to.
    You haven't been around navy pride long enough.

    Go ask Dana if Navy is an actual conservative.
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I believe that religious conservatives have been proven to donate more to charity than any other group, so....
    Which in itself doesn't tell us anything.

    Compare that to the cost of living of where these people are donating. If I live in an area which costs three times as expensive but donate slightly less than a guy who lives in an area that costs the base rate who donates slightly more, who actually gives more in terms of real dollars?

    Remember that Bible story where a King gives huge amounts but a poor woman gives much less? Who did was praised in that story? The person who could afford it easily, or the person who couldn't?
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I believe that religious conservatives have been proven to donate more to charity than any other group, so....
    Which is great if it's true, but that's not the point. The bible never mentions abortion (though other legal codes of the time do), and homosexuality is only mentioned a few times, and never by Jesus or anyone who ever met Jesus. School prayer and putting religious symbols in the public square also only have middling justification, biblically. But if you read the bible, Jesus at every turn brings up "help the poor, help the sick, help the needy." He even says at one point "as you have treated the least of you, so have you treated me."
    Jesus didn't give two squirts about "social issues" we care about today, but social conservatives largely define themselves by these issues. When the government, which they're ok with legislating morality, tries to enact programs that help the poor, they're often the ones screaming the loudest against it. If they dedicated the energy they use to complain about abortion and gay marriage into trying to find good ways to deal with poverty and the like, we'd be a much better place.
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Really? The Great Awakenings are credited with instilling democratic values to first white male Americans after the Puritan era, and then to abolitionists prior to the Civil War.
    That is the first I've heard about that.

    Where did you hear/read that? Can you source or substantiate this claim?
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