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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Everyone can see the friction between the left and the silent majority or the religious right in this country so the question begs to be asked.........
    The only difference between your perspective, and mine, is that your revolution is going to end with a whimper, and not a bang, as the silent majority gradually becomes the ever more panicked minority.

    Guess what? It's already happening. Evidence? This thread. Fundamentalist Christianity has already lost. It's just going through the slow process of recognizing defeat.
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    17 to 1. That is an incredible statistic. You cannot get people on this board to agree on anything, except apparently that NP is wrong on this.
    Interestingly enough, I think he's actually right. The "revolution" is already occurring, and it's one of slow, gradual decline into obscurity as newer beliefs take over.

    Read about the growth of paganism and other alternative beliefs in the U.S. I predict that within 50 years, the majority of Americans will fall into the category of "Spiritual but not religious."

    And frankly, that's change I can believe in.

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Religious revolutions can be quite liberalizing, as I have already stated.
    Sometimes, sure. Take the abolition of slavery, for instance. It was condemned as being anti-Christian among many religious groups, but religion wasn't the sole reason for it's condemnation and abolishment.

    Also, this thread is about a modern religious revolution, and the issues that would entail. I highlighted a few of these possibilities - outlawing abortion, stripping homosexuals of rights far beyond marriage, forced Christian prayer in school - and there are many more. None of these coincides with liberal social values. As I said, those who advocate a 'religious revolution' tend to be strong social conservatives. There would be more than likely be no liberal social values which would not be attacked.

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    As I said, those who advocate a 'religious revolution' tend to be strong social conservatives. There would be more than likely be no liberal social values which would not be attacked.
    The problem (for them) is that they simply do not have the longterm public support and/or the numbers to impose their views on the rest of us like they did back in the 1940s. A revolution can't occur without popular support, which they don't have over the long haul.

    Poll any average middle schooler. The overwhelming majority see no reason for gay marriage to remain illegal. That's the future.

    Crazy, whackadoo, socially controlling fundamentalism is the past, thank God(dess). They're on their last dying gasps.

    What's actually happening is a revolution along different lines, the same kind of revolution that occurred religiously in Europe and the UK over the past 50 years...people have lost interest in the old forms of faith, and essentially abandoned an archaic, unworkable system.

    Navy Pride's kicking and screaming is actually a response to his fears that his side has already lost (and they have). Modern culture has already left such irrational views far behind. It wasn't a leftist conspiracy, it was that these views simply don't hold up in a logical and rational world of science and technology. But have fun.
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Sometimes, sure. Take the abolition of slavery, for instance. It was condemned as being anti-Christian among many religious groups, but religion wasn't the sole reason for it's condemnation and abolishment.

    Also, this thread is about a modern religious revolution, and the issues that would entail. I highlighted a few of these possibilities - outlawing abortion, stripping homosexuals of rights far beyond marriage, forced Christian prayer in school - and there are many more. None of these coincides with liberal social values. As I said, those who advocate a 'religious revolution' tend to be strong social conservatives. There would be more than likely be no liberal social values which would not be attacked.
    But say, if there was a revolution (and I argue there isn't one right now), who is to say it will not be a liberal movement? Catz is already making that argument that it will be. Also, there were secular reasons for the abolition of slavery (one of the key properties was a latching onto the Declaration of Independence, while for some, also trashing the Constitution), but one must not discount the power of the religious aspect.
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    But say, if there was a revolution (and I argue there isn't one right now), who is to say it will not be a liberal movement? Catz is already making that argument that it will be. Also, there were secular reasons for the abolition of slavery (one of the key properties was a latching onto the Declaration of Independence, while for some, also trashing the Constitution), but one must not discount the power of the religious aspect.
    A liberal movement is a possibility. But a religious revolution entails conservative social values; after all, if folks are hardcore enough to actually want a revolution, they tend to view current society as too unappealing. I cannot think of many modern liberal social values that evangelicals embrace beyond individual liberty. Can you?

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    I thought we already had our religious revolution.

    You know -- the one that began on november 7, 2000 and lasted 8 years?
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    A liberal movement is a possibility. But a religious revolution entails conservative social values; after all, if folks are hardcore enough to actually want a revolution, they tend to view current society as too unappealing. I cannot think of many modern liberal social values that evangelicals embrace beyond individual liberty. Can you?
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Sometimes, sure. Take the abolition of slavery, for instance. It was condemned as being anti-Christian among many religious groups, but religion wasn't the sole reason for it's condemnation and abolishment.
    Among a minority of Christian groups, you mean, until (blatant) slavery became fashionable to oppose. The majority of the faithful supported it. It's no coincidence that today's Bible belt was yesterday's Confederacy. As Jefferson Davis put it, "Slavery was established by decree of Almighty God. It is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation." Unlike some Christians, he actually read the Bible. Such as at 1 Tim. 6:1-2: “Let slaves regard their masters as worthy of all honor." Or Titus 2:9-10: “Be submissive to your master and give satisfaction in every respect." Biblical law on this matter is very straightforward: “Slaves obey your master." (Ephesians 6:5; Colossians 3:22)

    Now, if someone actually wants to be a slave (for example, a sex slave, say they're into hardcore BDSM), that's fine with me. But Biblical law, on the other hand, does not require consent on the slave's part. Fathers are even expressly given permission to sell their own daughters into slavery, and the daughters are admonished to obey their fathers without question. Although it is clear that there were Christian abolitionists, it is equally clear that their abolitionism was anything but Bible-based.
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

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    The majority of the faithful supported it.
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