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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    It's a difference of a 9.5% decline in an 11 year period and a .7% decline in a 7 year period.

    That's a rate of decline of about .85% per year in 1990-2001, and .1% per year in 2001-2008.

    So yes, the decline is declining.


    Also I happen to live in Northern Virginia, a very non-religious area (I can't seem to find any statistics on religion here, though).
    The decline has somewhat been countered by the large increase in numbers of catholics in Southwestern states through immigration.

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by The silenced majority View Post
    Make no mistake, our country was structured around a particular moral ethic. Those who framed the Constitution advised that if we were to stray away from our common moral order that we would do so at our own peril. The framers also did afford asylum to those of other religions and those with no religion at all. Therefore, it isn't a stretch to think that they would have believed atheists to be citizens - blacks well, that's another story.
    That moral ethic is shared by almost every major religion, including Wicca, and is covered by the golden rule. It is not necessary that someone be a religionist to follow the morality of the constitution (rule of law, protection of the basic civil liberties of all Americans).

    In fact, the growing percentage of Americans who claim to be Christians, but who do not believe in a personal God, thus defining themselves as Deists, puts them right in line with the beliefs of one of the major drafters of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence --- Thomas Jefferson.

    History fail.

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    That moral ethic is shared by almost every major religion, including Wicca, and is covered by the golden rule. It is not necessary that someone be a religionist to follow the morality of the constitution (rule of law, protection of the basic civil liberties of all Americans).

    In fact, the growing percentage of Americans who claim to be Christians, but who do not believe in a personal God, thus defining themselves as Deists, puts them right in line with the beliefs of one of the major drafters of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence --- Thomas Jefferson.

    History fail.
    Go ahead and keep clinging to the deist notion, it serves the Christian-haters well.
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Hobo, you misread or mischaracterized Dav's position. He said:



    Your quotes were about personal charity, not governmental wealth redistribution, which is exactly what Dav was talking about: Jesus promoted personal charity but did not say the government should take from the rich and give to the poor.
    Jesus said very little about what the government should do. While Judaism and Islam are in many ways civic religions, going to great lengths to describe what the government should do and how it should act, Christianity is in many ways a more personal religion, giving rules on what individuals should do, but precious few on what a society should do. But if we assume the government should do something about abortion or homosexuality or marriage, then there's no reason to suppose that we shouldn't do something about poverty. There's also no indication that Jesus intended things limited to private charity.
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    In fact, the growing percentage of Americans who claim to be Christians, but who do not believe in a personal God, thus defining themselves as Deists, puts them right in line with the beliefs of one of the major drafters of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence --- Thomas Jefferson.

    History fail.
    In many of his personal correspondence with his son, it seems that Jefferson may have been more atheist than deist. Though back in those days you couldn't claim atheism without major repercussions. I guess the more things change, the more things stay the same.
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Go ahead and keep clinging to the deist notion, it serves the Christian-haters well.
    It's a well-documented historical fact. History fail.

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The decline has somewhat been countered by the large increase in numbers of catholics in Southwestern states through immigration.
    That is true; however, it is not the only source of the leveling out.



    "No religion" grew by 15 million in the first 11 years, and only 5 million in the next 7 years. That's in total number, not percentage (percentage wise, the difference is much greater), so immigration does not play into it.

    There are also some other Christian sects that either grew between 2001-2008, or shrunk less rapidly than between 1990-2001. Very few sects declined as rapidly or more rapidly in the latter 7 years than in the fist 11.


    I do not know why, but from the looks of it the 1990s in general was just a bad decade for Christianity in the U.S. Unless we have another decade like it soon, though, it seems like the percent of the country that is Christian will level out at about 75%.

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Jesus said very little about what the government should do. While Judaism and Islam are in many ways civic religions, going to great lengths to describe what the government should do and how it should act, Christianity is in many ways a more personal religion, giving rules on what individuals should do, but precious few on what a society should do. But if we assume the government should do something about abortion or homosexuality or marriage, then there's no reason to suppose that we shouldn't do something about poverty. There's also no indication that Jesus intended things limited to private charity.
    What I have been coming to realize lately is that gay marriage and abortion are not matters of government vs. no government, but of semantics. Pro-lifers think that the fetus is by definition a person, and therefore abortion fits into murder laws; they sometimes justify this position using religion, but it is not the government involvement they justify using religion, it is the definition of life. Similarly, "gay marriage" is a contradiction in terms to many conservatives, because to them, marriage by definition is between a man and a woman. Again, they often justify this using religion; it is the term they are justifying, not anything to do with the government.

    And the last sentence of the quote is irrelevant, because every single time Jesus talked about helping the poor, he was talking about private charity; we can only speculate on what his views on government-mandated wealth redistribution would be, and it would be useless to even do that since there's nothing to go on.

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by K-1 View Post
    I love seeing liberals underestimating the power of the Religious Right in America. It is actually pretty hilarious. The Left can continue their marginalization of the Right, and when the revolution hits them, their heads will spin faster than Barack's when he is informed about the intricacies of US foreign policy.
    Too bad that you seem to ignore that those at the lead of the so called "marginalized religious right" do nothing but reap the financial rewards of being on top.

    In many ways, they are in the same position as the cartoonists who lampooned Bush. When Bush left, their gravy train went with him. If there is a revolution against the alleged immorality of the times (Which many of their leaders partake in willingly and with great enthusiasm) then their gravy train is gone as well.
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Yeah that kinda took all the fun out of it

    BTW it was Lawrence vs Texas 2003.

    Something tells me Lawrence and his man love went anal.....

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