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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sov View Post
    Yes, but yours only further reinforces my point. Most of that violent crime also has to with authoritarian repression, such as the idiotic "War on Drugs" (which spawns a black market sector rife with gangsterism).

    If the problem were confined to a handful of hicks, Dubya would have gotten nowhere near the presidency. For another example, America, even in many blue states, would also not be throwing people into prison for marijuana possession.
    I just like posting stuff from the BJS. I'm still trying to figure out exactly why we're talking about prison population again?

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sov View Post
    Most Americans don't have to be Bible thumpers in order for the "religious right" to be a threat.
    The hardcore religious right is no threat to the American people, trust me. In 15-20 years I predict they'll have about as much mainstream relevance as the KKK and NAMBLA.

    There certainly won't be any Christian jihad like the OP's wet dreaming about, since true blue hardcore fundies who'd be willing to declare a jihad, make up probably less than 5% of the evangelical population. The rest are either uneducated beerbelly rednecks who wouldn't be bothered to start a jihad if it meant missing NASCAR, or phonies like Rev. Ted Haggart and the Catholic pedo priests who do kinkier stuff than most gay strippers when the media's not around.

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    Most Europeans in the Dark Ages didn't read the Bible at all (actually, they couldn't).
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    RRers themselves are hypocrites who to a huge extent don't practice what they preach. What they do represent is a hardcore manifestation of authoritarianism. Unfortunately, authoritarianism is nowhere close to gone.

    Fundies are so universally mocked, that they best they could do if they wanted a "revolution' is blow up a building like their fellow jihadists did on 9/11. They have no chance of actually destroying America. And the fact that these loons are even bringing this idea up just further confirms to me that fundamentalism is dying. I'm not worried.

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    I just like posting stuff from the BJS. I'm still trying to figure out exactly why we're talking about prison population again?
    Because there wouldn't be a huge prison population without the criminalization of victimless crimes, which supports my point that the system itself is authoritarian, not merely extremists on the fringe. Even if organized religion is on the decline, this is not necessarily true of the underlying tendencies which gave raise to organized religion in the first place. Vulnerability to fear-based politics, moral panic, lack of critical thinking, submission to authority figures, etc. Throwing people in prison for possessing marijuana is just as stupid as imprisoning people for sodomy.
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sov View Post
    Because there wouldn't be a huge prison population without the criminalization of victimless crimes, which supports my point that the system itself is authoritarian, not merely extremists on the fringe. Even if organized religion is on the decline, this is not necessarily true of the underlying tendencies which gave raise to organized religion in the first place. Vulnerability to fear-based politics, moral panic, lack of critical thinking, submission to authority figures, etc. Throwing people in prison for possessing marijuana is just as stupid as imprisoning people for sodomy.
    For the most part I agree, but the rising prison population isn't tied to just one major factor. What I do feel the need to point out is that sodomy is not a victimless crime like smoking weed...Definitions of sodomy may be stupid or arbitrary, but there are very harmful examples of sodomy.

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    The hardcore religious right is no threat to the American people, trust me. In 15-20 years I predict they'll have about as much mainstream relevance as the KKK and NAMBLA.
    I actually wish I could agree with you. I originally jumped in this thread to mess with the holy rollers.
    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    There certainly won't be any Christian jihad like the OP's wet dreaming about, since true blue hardcore fundies who'd be willing to declare a jihad, make up probably less than 5% of the evangelical population. The rest are either uneducated beerbelly rednecks who wouldn't be bothered to start a jihad if it meant missing NASCAR, or phonies like Rev. Ted Haggart and the Catholic pedo priests who do kinkier stuff than most gay strippers when the media's not around.
    This is true of religious fundamentalists everywhere, even in Saudi Arabia and Iran. In those countries the men in power will hang women for "conduct incompatible with chastity" and then go back inside to have sex with their harems of teenage prostitutes. That they are rank hypocrites doesn't keep them from being oppressive and destructive. You will not find any religious regime, on matter how "extreme," which is not riddled with corruption and hypocrisy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    Fundies are so universally mocked, that they best they could do if they wanted a "revolution' is blow up a building like their fellow jihadists did on 9/11. They have no chance of actually destroying America. And the fact that these loons are even bringing this idea up just further confirms to me that fundamentalism is dying. I'm not worried.
    I wish I could agree with you, and you may be right that forms of fundamentalism are dying, but what about the essence that gave rise to those forms? Organized religion developed out of authoritarian tendencies and structures that, to a good extent, already had to be there as a foundation. If fundies are so universally mocked, it is curious that McCain/Palin got a majority of the white vote. If Palin couldn't turn most white voters off then who will? Even if most people do not attend church regularly, most people are not adept at critical thinking or immune from authoritarian appeals that play on moral panic either. Most of those patriotards you see at tea party parades probably couldn't name all the books in the Bible, but they're still assholes.
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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    For the most part I agree, but the rising prison population isn't tied to just one major factor. What I do feel the need to point out is that sodomy is not a victimless crime like smoking weed...Definitions of sodomy may be stupid or arbitrary, but there are very harmful examples of sodomy.
    Sodomy = anal sex

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    Sodomy = anal sex
    Legally, in most states sodomy includes oral sex... as well as other things.
    In most Southern states at least, the legal definition of "sodomy" includes everything but missionary style penile/vaginal intercourse.
    It's a catch-all phrase meaning "deviant sex".

    You heard right: blowjobs are against the law.
    Or were, at least in my state; I think that may have finally been overturned in 2001.

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    Sodomy = anal sex
    Depends on the State. :\ but yeah, that's almost always included.

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Legally, in most states sodomy includes oral sex... as well as other things.
    In most Southern states at least, the legal definition of "sodomy" includes everything but missionary style penile/vaginal intercourse.
    It's a catch-all phrase meaning "deviant sex".

    You heard right: blowjobs are against the law.
    Or were, at least in my state; I think that may have finally been overturned in 2001.
    Consensual sex in the missionary position?

    EWWW GROSS! Nobody wants to do that!

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    Re: Do you think a religeous revolution is coming in this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    You heard right: blowjobs are against the law.
    Or were, at least in my state; I think that may have finally been overturned in 2001.
    Yeah that kinda took all the fun out of it

    BTW it was Lawrence vs Texas 2003.

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