Are machines last step of human evolution?

I am simply asking this question because humans are about to give to machines all their knowledge, about to give them artificial intelligence, about to give them "feelings", basically about to transfer humanity into machines.

When machines get advanced enought and can maintain themselves and build more advanced versions of themself and enter into their own evolution, which will not be very long from now. Will there anymore be a need for dependent, weak, emotional, irrational, illogical human beings?

Machines have a potential that will make humans seem incredibly primitive, and if all of humanity is in them without any of the weaknesses. Then what is the need of humans? Will machines eventually realize this?

The next step of human evolution is mix of machine and human, the maximum potantial of biology as oppose to that of machines seem incredibly low and primitive. Will humans ever take the step into becoming machines and leaving biology as a thing of the past?

Personally I believe there is no way around it(except not going there which we will or near nuclear irradication, huge crisis that make us primitive and unable to build them, or something similar), especially considering the flawed ways and naive ways humans think, its very likely that advanced machines will be built, that are as secure as titanic in though, but then prove to be faulty, in that the machines can break away from human chains and limitations put on them.

Whats your take?

Maximus Zeebra said:

Whats your take?

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You've watched/read too much sci fi? :devil:

Seriously though anything is possible if you have the right knowledge and resources and ability.

Machines are not part of our evolution. However, since evolution is essentially the environment choosing mutations that better suit the environment, and we are changing our personal environment to suit us(houses, clothes, furnaces, etc), I don't think we will evolve much past where we are.

Maximus Zeebra said:

I am simply asking this question because humans are about to give to machines all their knowledge, about to give them artificial intelligence, about to give them "feelings", basically about to transfer humanity into machines.

When machines get advanced enought and can maintain themselves and build more advanced versions of themself and enter into their own evolution, which will not be very long from now. Will there anymore be a need for dependent, weak, emotional, irrational, illogical human beings?

Machines have a potential that will make humans seem incredibly primitive, and if all of humanity is in them without any of the weaknesses. Then what is the need of humans? Will machines eventually realize this?

The next step of human evolution is mix of machine and human, the maximum potantial of biology as oppose to that of machines seem incredibly low and primitive. Will humans ever take the step into becoming machines and leaving biology as a thing of the past?

Personally I believe there is no way around it(except not going there which we will or near nuclear irradication, huge crisis that make us primitive and unable to build them, or something similar), especially considering the flawed ways and naive ways humans think, its very likely that advanced machines will be built, that are as secure as titanic in though, but then prove to be faulty, in that the machines can break away from human chains and limitations put on them.

Whats your take?

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The concept has been around for some time, in various forms. Over the past two decades, the concept of the Singularity, a point where artificial intelligence and possibly other things like nanotech, genetic engineering/etc combine and technological advance becomes highly exponential.

Some speculate that the Singularity will be the end of Homo Sapiens as we know it, replaced either by "Posthuman" beings (humans augmented by technology to a point as radically different from us as we are from the chimp) or superintelligent AI's.

To point out that this is more than just speculative fiction, noted futurists have addressed Congress on the issue of the Singularity and about making contingency plans to minimize the possible chaos it might engender.

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity]Technological singularity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

What is the Singularity? | The Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence


I personally have doubts that machine intelligence will ever be "self-aware", that is, fully sapient. However, computer systems millions of times faster than what we currently have (and such systems might be no more than a few decades away) could be very powerful and potentially very dangerous, when used to, for example, run the entire infrastructure of a city.

We are already at a point where computers are active participants in writing software...the programmers mostly operate at what is called a "high level language" while the computer translates that into the actual operating code. As this becomes more and more a case of humans simply telling the computer WHAT they want it to do, and the computer itself writing the programs, the potential for unintended consequences becomes much higher.

Add in things like nanotechnology and genetic engineering, mind-machine interfacing and augmenting, and it is hard to predict what things might be like in 2050...or even 2030.

People tend to assume the future will be "like the present, but with better gadgets." There is a very real possibility however, that the fundamentals of human existence in 2050 (or even 2030) will be very different from life-as-we-know-it today, and not like the Jetson's either. :mrgreen:

Or maybe it won't. :mrgreen:

I hope this happens, because we have eliminated natural selection from the process, so I'm not very optimistic about the next biological stage.

I don't think it's one or the other. Machines will become part of our bodies eventually, extending our lives and perhaps even our consciousness. The human tendency with most advancements is to network: ideas, knowledge, discussions, etc. I don't believe we should actively be pursuing transhumanist policy, but I do see it going that route in the future,

Machines show the bi-polar nature of humans. Machines are everything that humans are not. Machines don't need sleep, machines don't need to eat, machines don't need to drink water, and machines don't need to think for themselves.

The machine represents the humanity that never was and never will be; super strength, super speed, super calculation. Machines, however ironically, are not the extension of human sight, sense, taste, feeling, but the extension of human intelligence.

I take it Max just seen Surrogates :2razz:

Kal'Stang said:

You've watched/read too much sci fi? :devil:

Seriously though anything is possible if you have the right knowledge and resources and ability.

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No.. Think of it, we have already processed most of our knowledge into machines, via the internet.

Eventually with new technologies we will transfer all of humanity into machines. THe next logical step of evolution is -humans +machines. Humans cant compete with machines and their potential.

Goshin said:

The concept has been around for some time, in various forms. Over the past two decades, the concept of the Singularity, a point where artificial intelligence and possibly other things like nanotech, genetic engineering/etc combine and technological advance becomes highly exponential.

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At some point we will have nothing left that we havent transferred to machines. Love and hate("feelings") is useless when you think of optimal progress.

Goshin said:

Some speculate that the Singularity will be the end of Homo Sapiens as we know it, replaced either by "Posthuman" beings (humans augmented by technology to a point as radically different from us as we are from the chimp) or superintelligent AI's.

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When we have transferred all our humanity into machines. W
When we have built machines unimaginably advanced by todays standard.
When machines are able to think by themself, and of their own evolution(shouldnt be unrealistic, they only need to understand primate evolution and their own creation).
When machines are able to create more advanced machines.

Then what is to stop them? Does human fragility really stand a chance to build a security against it? We have tried to make things secure in the past, but have always failed. Digital technology will never be safe, there is always the backway in.

Is it then unavoidable that the next step of human evolution is that our existence is replaced by machines with our history, knowledge, understanding as basis?

Goshin said:

To point out that this is more than just speculative fiction, noted futurists have addressed Congress on the issue of the Singularity and about making contingency plans to minimize the possible chaos it might engender.

Technological singularity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What is the Singularity? | The Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence

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Interesting.. thinking

Goshin said:

I personally have doubts that machine intelligence will ever be "self-aware", that is, fully sapient. However, computer systems millions of times faster than what we currently have (and such systems might be no more than a few decades away) could be very powerful and potentially very dangerous, when used to, for example, run the entire infrastructure of a city.

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The potential of machines is endless. Human lust to get to the next step dictates we will never stop developing them. At some point its not that unrealistic that by purpose or not that machines will replace humans.

Goshin said:

We are already at a point where computers are active participants in writing software...the programmers mostly operate at what is called a "high level language" while the computer translates that into the actual operating code. As this becomes more and more a case of humans simply telling the computer WHAT they want it to do, and the computer itself writing the programs, the potential for unintended consequences becomes much higher.

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And even more, thats just a tiny beginning.. More mindblowing human written intelligence for machines exist.

Goshin said:

Add in things like nanotechnology and genetic engineering, mind-machine interfacing and augmenting, and it is hard to predict what things might be like in 2050...or even 2030.

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Those things in themself are potantially dangerous.

Goshin said:

People tend to assume the future will be "like the present, but with better gadgets." There is a very real possibility however, that the fundamentals of human existence in 2050 (or even 2030) will be very different from life-as-we-know-it today, and not like the Jetson's either. :mrgreen:

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Or 2200. Eventually is there room for humans anymore when machines are so superior?

Goshin said:

Or maybe it won't. :mrgreen:

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Maybe things will collapse and leave us quite primitive. :2wave:

Tsunami said:

I hope this happens, because we have eliminated natural selection from the process, so I'm not very optimistic about the next biological stage.

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Yes. This is very scary. Survival of the weakest anyone?

Arch Enemy said:

Machines show the bi-polar nature of humans. Machines are everything that humans are not. Machines don't need sleep, machines don't need to eat, machines don't need to drink water, and machines don't need to think for themselves.

The machine represents the humanity that never was and never will be; super strength, super speed, super calculation. Machines, however ironically, are not the extension of human sight, sense, taste, feeling, but the extension of human intelligence.

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Interesting. I dont agree machines are an extension of human intelligence, but rather a creation.

Goldenboy219 said:

I take it Max just seen Surrogates :2razz:

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Huh? Surrogates?

Goshin said:

Some speculate that the Singularity will be the end of Homo Sapiens as we know it

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Woot! My power is finally recognized!

I should put this in my sig!

Maximus Zeebra said:

Interesting. I dont agree machines are an extension of human intelligence, but rather a creation.

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What I mean is that they're an extension of human intelligence because whenever we have a machine with computing power it's always in a similar we compute and process information, but much faster.

Machines computing power is no *different* than Human, other than it's speed and it accuracy. We don't understand thinking, so we don't know how to replicate it and because we cannot truly define it we cannot truly control it. To define is to control.

Maximus Zeebra said:

I am simply asking this question because humans are about to give to machines all their knowledge, about to give them artificial intelligence, about to give them "feelings", basically about to transfer humanity into machines.

When machines get advanced enought and can maintain themselves and build more advanced versions of themself and enter into their own evolution, which will not be very long from now. Will there anymore be a need for dependent, weak, emotional, irrational, illogical human beings?

Machines have a potential that will make humans seem incredibly primitive, and if all of humanity is in them without any of the weaknesses. Then what is the need of humans? Will machines eventually realize this?

The next step of human evolution is mix of machine and human, the maximum potantial of biology as oppose to that of machines seem incredibly low and primitive. Will humans ever take the step into becoming machines and leaving biology as a thing of the past?

Personally I believe there is no way around it(except not going there which we will or near nuclear irradication, huge crisis that make us primitive and unable to build them, or something similar), especially considering the flawed ways and naive ways humans think, its very likely that advanced machines will be built, that are as secure as titanic in though, but then prove to be faulty, in that the machines can break away from human chains and limitations put on them.

Whats your take?

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I think the last step in human evolution will be humans living longer due to replacing their body parts at first with robotic prosthetic parts and then cloned parts.


Is there the danger of something like the Terminator or matrix happening? I say yes. Because we have idiot politicians who will try to toss the salad of some company for money and people who think that just because they can build something then they they should make it. This is why I support preemptive laws to prevent something like this from happening.

jamesrage said:

I think the last step in human evolution will be humans living longer due to replacing their body parts at first with robotic prosthetic parts and then cloned parts.


Is there the danger of something like the Terminator or matrix happening? I say yes. Because we have idiot politicians who will try to toss the salad of some company for money and people who think that just because they can build something then they they should make it. This is why I support preemptive laws to prevent something like this from happening.

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In biological potential human brains could be transplanted into a complete machine and live on.

But why? Machines are less prone to "flaws" than humans.

Also, if one machine is made free to interpret all information put into it(most human knowledge and history) then certainly they will be able to understand far more than any human being, or any group of human beings.

Maximus Zeebra said:

Yes. This is very scary. Survival of the weakest anyone?

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We havent stopped Natural selection its just the kind of people who sit on their ass and shoot out kids will be the selected.

Maximus Zeebra said:

In biological potential human brains could be transplanted into a complete machine and live on.

But why? Machines are less prone to "flaws" than humans.

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Machines still require maintenance, we might be able to make machines that can make more machines but a robot parts can't make a human baby,plus some people just prefer the real thing. If anything there might be a combination of cloned body parts and robotic prosthetic parts.

Also, if one machine is made free to interpret all information put into it(most human knowledge and history) then certainly they will be able to understand far more than any human being, or any group of human beings.

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It doesn't mean the machine will think in our best interest or what it thinks is the best interest for us may not necessarily be the best interest for us all.

mikhail said:

We havent stopped Natural selection its just the kind of people who sit on their ass and shoot out kids will be the selected.

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People get rewarded for stupidity these days. War is part of natural selection and survival of the strongest to be honest. But I am not a complete supporter of Darwin though.

jamesrage said:

Machines still require maintenance, we might be able to make machines that can make more machines but a robot parts can't make a human baby,plus some people just prefer the real thing. If anything there might be a combination of cloned body parts and robotic prosthetic parts.

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In the end they dont, when they are perfected they will not need maintenance, or even self maintain, or just replace a broken one with a new one.

This is not about preference, its about natural evolution, the last step of human evolution, where we vanish, but our knowledge lives on through machines and a new evolution starts.

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It doesn't mean the machine will think in our best interest or what it thinks is the best interest for us may not necessarily be the best interest for us all.

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I never said a machine will. That could eventually be one of the things that trigger the replacement, that machines get completely self dependent and dont need humans anymore.

Who knows?

There is room for never-ending speculation about what the future holds.

Perhaps everyone will suddenly evolve into beach-ball like entities which control their environment by telekinesis.

See?

The Mark said:

Who knows?

There is room for never-ending speculation about what the future holds.

Perhaps everyone will suddenly evolve into beach-ball like entities which control their environment by telekinesis.

See?

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That doesnt seem likely at all. Machines seems unavoidable to take over for humans, eventually because we will build them as advanced as they need to be.

Maximus Zeebra said:

No.. Think of it, we have already processed most of our knowledge into machines, via the internet.

Eventually with new technologies we will transfer all of humanity into machines. THe next logical step of evolution is -humans +machines. Humans cant compete with machines and their potential.

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Goldenboy219 said:

I take it Max just seen Surrogates :2razz:

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nope, it's transformers.

youknowwho said:

nope, it's transformers.

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I dont view movies I know in advance will be bad. So, no, I havent watched transformers, not going to either.