Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

Scarecrow Akhbar · 11-20-09, 06:50 PM

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UC students occupy buildings to protest fee hikeBERKELEY, Calif. – Students barricaded themselves inside buildings on University of California campuses to protest a 32 percent increase in student fees and budget cuts that have led to slashed programs and lost jobs.

Demonstrators at UC Berkeley occupied Wheeler Hall on Friday and hung a sign from a window that read "32 Percent Hike, 900 layoffs," with the word "Class" crossed out in red. A group of students also rallied outside the building.

Campus police said they had arrested three of the demonstrators inside.

Police would not say how many protesters remained in the building. University police Lt. Alex Yao said demonstrators were barricaded behind fire doors on the second floor, but police had control of the rest of the building.

The Daily Californian student newspaper said it received a text message from a protester in the building who put the number still inside at 60 undergraduates and graduate students.

The occupiers were demanding the university rehire laid-off custodial workers and give amnesty to anyone arrested in the protest.

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About 30 to 50 protesters staged a takeover of Campbell Hall at UCLA on Thursday, as regents met across campus to approve the fee hike. More than 50 students were arrested during protests at UC Davis.

Regents say they had to raise fees because the cash-strapped state government can't meet the university's funding needs.

Any particular reason the students can't transfer to a college they can afford, or, barring that, getting a job and saving the money until they have the funds to pay for their own tuition?

I don't recall owing them a college education.

lizzie · 11-20-09, 08:47 PM

Of course adults should, but let's face it, how many real adults do you know?

I believe I read that the reason for college costs going up so much in Cali is to help alleviate the out-of-control budget deficits.

The way things are going in California (if news reports are right), I think I would consider going to school out of state. It may be less expensive.

WI Crippler · 11-20-09, 08:57 PM

It is called student loans. You pay them back. That is paying for your college.

bhkad · 11-20-09, 09:18 PM

Good polls aren't easy to do.

Korimyr the Rat · 11-20-09, 09:28 PM

Another marvelously impartial poll.

An educated workforce is essentially to the productivity of the nation. If government programs assist in the creation and maintenance of such a workforce, they are worthwhile. Adults whose college education would benefit the State should be subsidized if necessary, much as their secondary school education is subsidized. Of course, this benefits their families as well, and much as families have an obligation to support their young adults in secondary school, they should be expected to bear as large a portion of the cost of college as they are practically capable.

The problem is that, much as we have assumed a secondary school education as a universal right, we are beginning to treat a college education as a right that students should enjoy regardless of their ability to complete and benefit from it. We need to return to the cultural assumption that young men and women should be expected to enter the workforce at the level of education or vocational training that they are suited to.

Goldenboy219 · 11-20-09, 10:39 PM

Quite the ****ty pole. How about: higher education is important to all of society.

Cephus · 11-21-09, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by lizzie

Of course adults should, but let's face it, how many real adults do you know?

I believe I read that the reason for college costs going up so much in Cali is to help alleviate the out-of-control budget deficits.

The way things are going in California (if news reports are right), I think I would consider going to school out of state. It may be less expensive.

The problem is, California has always subsidized college tuition, nobody has ever had to pay what it really costs. Now that there's no money and people are starting to have to pay the real costs, there's massive sticker shock. Going out of state isn't going to help, all states are going to have to do this to balance their budgets.

Higher education isn't free, people need to get that through their heads.

Korimyr the Rat · 11-21-09, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Cephus

Higher education isn't free, people need to get that through their heads.

Indeed. Nothing is free, no matter how much it is in the State's interests to ensure that it is accessible. Perhaps it is a good thing that we are reminded how much it truly costs.

RightinNYC · 11-21-09, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat

Another marvelously impartial poll.

An educated workforce is essentially to the productivity of the nation. If government programs assist in the creation and maintenance of such a workforce, they are worthwhile. Adults whose college education would benefit the State should be subsidized if necessary, much as their secondary school education is subsidized. Of course, this benefits their families as well, and much as families have an obligation to support their young adults in secondary school, they should be expected to bear as large a portion of the cost of college as they are practically capable.

The problem is that, much as we have assumed a secondary school education as a universal right, we are beginning to treat a college education as a right that students should enjoy regardless of their ability to complete and benefit from it. We need to return to the cultural assumption that young men and women should be expected to enter the workforce at the level of education or vocational training that they are suited to.

Exquisite.

molten_dragon · 11-21-09, 04:56 AM

There wasn't a no answer I liked, so I used one of the ones that was there. I see nothing wrong with grant money and federal subsidized loans for college. It's somewhat of an investment on the government's part. Someone with a college degree is probably going to make more money over their lifetime and thus generate more tax revenue for the government.

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