View Poll Results: Should College Students Bear the Full Cost of Their Own Education?

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  • No, the government is rich and can take the money from the taxpayer anyway.

    7 20.59%
  • No, they're too young and not ready for the rigors of personal responsibility.

    3 8.82%
  • No, they don't have any other options in life.

    1 2.94%
  • Yes, they're legal adults, treat them like adults.

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Thread: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And how much do people get taxed to pay for those low fees? You don't get anything for free.
    How much does the country benefit from having a better-educated workforce?

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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Of course adults should, but let's face it, how many real adults do you know?
    Plenty, I'm a United States Navy submarine veteran.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I believe I read that the reason for college costs going up so much in Cali is to help alleviate the out-of-control budget deficits. The way things are going in California (if news reports are right), I think I would consider going to school out of state. It may be less expensive.
    The reason college costs in California are going up is because the state can't afford to be everyone's nanny anymore, and some of the older babies are crying and in dire need of diaper changes.

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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Indeed. Nothing is free, no matter how much it is in the State's interests to ensure that it is accessible. Perhaps it is a good thing that we are reminded how much it truly costs.
    It is accessible.

    All a person has to do is pass the tests and put up the cash, and they're in.

    Of course, some people are too stupid to pass the tests, and one of the reasons college costs so much these days is that these stupid people get into school anyway. Think about Plankton in Bikini Bottom always whining about how he "went to college", and yet the Chum Bucket never prospers.

    I knew a lot of broadcasting graduates...working at K-Mart as clerks.

    If a person can't pay for college right out of high school, there's always the military. They can grow up, see the world, and save money for their schooling, too.

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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    There wasn't a no answer I liked, so I used one of the ones that was there. I see nothing wrong with grant money and federal subsidized loans for college. It's somewhat of an investment on the government's part. Someone with a college degree is probably going to make more money over their lifetime and thus generate more tax revenue for the government.
    I've no strong objection to federal loans, outside of their unconstitutional nature, provided that jail time is part of the penalty for failure to repay.

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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    No one is owed anything, but if the govt is really interested in increasing the number of adults with college degrees and booting the number of better jobs in the US, there's no reason why they shouldn't lower college tuition costs, especially considering what a lot of this tuition money ends up being wasted on by these colleges.
    Reason One:

    Private universities should not be mircomanaged by the fools in Washington. Private universities belong to someone, and it's up to that someone to set the prices in a competitive and free market.

    Free markets have their own natural mechanisms for shedding waste.

    Reason Two:

    The Federal government doesn't have the authority to subsidize or run schools of any type outside of the US military. Read the Constitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    The fact that so many students have to take out loans just to get an education shows just how crazy public college tuition is. Plenty of capable people don't go to college just because of the money issue,
    Life's a bitch, ain't it?

    I fail to see where their failure is my problem that I have to pay for.

    I know someone, know him well, who didn't have the money to go to college from high school. So he joined the Navy and learned how to run a nuclear power plant. Then when his term was over, he went to college on his own damn money.

    What a concept.

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    while at the same time, plenty of kids with well-off parents go to college, spend the whole time partying, and just drop out and end up working at McDonald's.
    A classmate of mine finished all the coursework, spending five years on a four year aerospace engineering degree at a private university, and refused to turn in her final aircraft design report. That F prevented her from getting a diploma, and guess what?

    It's her problem, and her old man's, not the taxpayers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    Who knows, maybe if the govt had reasonable college costs, the HS dropout rate would go down too.
    The reasonable cost to the government of anyone's education is zero dollars.

    It's the parents' responsibility, and the student's, to get educated, not the taxpayers.

    If people want to drop out of high school, it's their life, isn't it? If we sent the invading hordes of Mexico back home, these dropouts would be able to find work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    Because when the purpose of HS is to prepare for college and many of these lower-income class students know they probably can't afford college anyway, it kind of destroys much of the incentive to even care about finishing HS.
    Well, if they're quitters, they're losers, and taxpayers shouldn't be funding mediocrity anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    You can't teach kids responsibility when you don't even give them the opportunity to use it by jacking up tuition costs so much that a kid is more motivated just to get a fast food job.
    Their life, their choice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    I'd love to see free public college tuition like they have in Sweden myself.
    It's not free.
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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    And the State is the embodiment of the will of the people. It takes our money in the fashion we have lawfully authorized to fund those programs which we have lawfully empowered it to conduct. The State and the people are not separate entities and they are not at odds; what benefits the State benefits the people and vice versa.
    This is the most insane thing I've read in the longest time.

    First off, the State, ie, the federal government, is not allowed to enact the will of people without limit. The Constitution makes it quite clear that the federal government is not allowed to finance education for anyone.

    The individual states, however, can intervene in the education market, but imo your use of the capital State implied the highest over-arching authority.

    But let's set all that aside as lacking relevance and move away to look at the bigger picture.

    The State is a power mad grasping beast, and no, what's good for the State isn't always, rarely is, in fact, good for the people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    I'm personally willing to pay my taxes just like everybody else. And if I were fortunate enough to live in a higher tax bracket, I would still be happy to pay my taxes and happy that they would pay for programs like this that would benefit all Americans-- and especially productive, working Americans-- rather than Welfare and corporate bailouts that primarily benefit parasites that feed off of our honest labor and innovation.
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    Find a charity.

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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Plenty, I'm a United States Navy submarine veteran.



    The reason college costs in California are going up is because the state can't afford to be everyone's nanny anymore, and some of the older babies are crying and in dire need of diaper changes.
    give it up, bubblehead. Some people think that everything should be free, and you can't convince them otherwise. You can offer to pay their way if they will just serve our country for a few years first, and they still won't enlist.
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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Three Words:

    Find a charity.
    I am going to continue to advocate for the State to do what I feel is necessary for its own benefit and for the benefit of the people to which it is responsible. I am going to continue to advocate for the State to provide services which cannot be sufficiently provided solely by private charities. And the fact that you don't like it, and argue against all such programs on the basis of a politically naive and morally stunted ideology, does not concern me.

    Go vote for people who support your ideology of failure. Go preach to the anarchist choir. But don't think for a second that either your ideology or your orders apply to me.

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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Any particular reason the students can't transfer to a college they can afford, or, barring that, getting a job and saving the money until they have the funds to pay for their own tuition?

    I don't recall owing them a college education.
    Wait a minute, one title says college students and the other says adults, I need to know which so I can vote.
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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    How much does the country benefit from having a better-educated workforce?
    In other words, they get the crap taxed out of them.
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