View Poll Results: Should College Students Bear the Full Cost of Their Own Education?

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  • No, they're too young and not ready for the rigors of personal responsibility.

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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    There is a clear distinction between "grade getters" and those who seek an education to learn first and obtain employment as a result of learning (as opposed to grades). This sort of human capital inefficiency is often ignored. However; the difference between private and public "screening" is ambiguous.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    This thread is about education....I threw in health care.
    What is given is usually esteemed lightly, people should earn their education, that way they will recognize the value of it.
    IMO an education is a right. Everyone should have the ability to learn whatever they want to learn regardless of monetary or social status.

    While I do agree that usually anything given is "esteemed lightly" as you put it I don't think that this is always the case in education. I think a big part of the problem is a young persons perception of education. Especially when they are at that stage of "I know everything". Then later on in life they learn what an education is really worth...and unfortenately the opportunity (more often than not) for them to go to college has passed.

    As for health care the only part that I think is a right is life saving medical care. Everything else should be earned.
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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Talk about a terrible poll.

    Anyway, one thing to consider with college education is the benefits to society. If the benefits to others in society for each person educated exceed the costs to educate that person, we should do it. It would be like charging an additional tax of $500 in exchange for your salary going up $1000. Win-win all the way.

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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by vvx View Post
    Talk about a terrible poll.

    Anyway, one thing to consider with college education is the benefits to society. If the benefits to others in society for each person educated exceed the costs to educate that person, we should do it. It would be like charging an additional tax of $500 in exchange for your salary going up $1000. Win-win all the way.
    The question is: do people become educated in an attempt to learn or do they do so for the profit motive? If it is to get paid; it seems (at least to me) like a waste of resources. Do not get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with getting paid; it is when the majority of a university succumbs to this that drives education into a rut.

    The "i dont give a **** i just want an A" attitude can be quite dangerous.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    IMO an education is a right. Everyone should have the ability to learn whatever they want to learn regardless of monetary or social status.
    People do have the right to learn whatever they want - that's why we have libraries, free lectures, and the internet. However, they do not have the right to attend a university, enroll in classes, and avail themselves of the expertise of the professors and their fellow students without paying for those services.
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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    People do have the right to learn whatever they want - that's why we have libraries, free lectures, and the internet. However, they do not have the right to attend a university, enroll in classes, and avail themselves of the expertise of the professors and their fellow students without paying for those services.
    Unfortenately you can't get a degree by attending free lectures or going to libraries or reading from the internet. Remember people that do learn in those ways can't help in the areas that they learn if no one will hire them because they don't have a piece of paper saying that they know something of the field from some accredited university or college.

    People now a days look for that piece of paper, and if a person doesn't have that piece of paper then they are laughed away...regardless of weather or not what they bring to the table is valid. Indeed those people can't even get through the doors to get a first interview, much less get hired.

    Which means that all that studying that the person does is wasted for society as a whole.

    Wouldn't it be ironic and stupid to not hire someone and thereby not making resources available to a person that could have solved the HIV/AIDS problem just because they didn't have that piece of paper?

    People are right in saying that we as a society have become too capitalistic. I would posit that while people as individuals do have rights...society as a whole has rights also. Does individual rights trump societies rights? Or visa versa? Or is there a middle ground that can be accomplished?
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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Unfortenately you can't get a degree by attending free lectures or going to libraries or reading from the internet. Remember people that do learn in those ways can't help in the areas that they learn if no one will hire them because they don't have a piece of paper saying that they know something of the field from some accredited university or college.

    People now a days look for that piece of paper, and if a person doesn't have that piece of paper then they are laughed away...regardless of weather or not what they bring to the table is valid. Indeed those people can't even get through the doors to get a first interview, much less get hired.
    So people should have the right to attend universities for free? I think that's a bit ridiculous - you have to charge them something so that they have a vested interest in using the resources properly. I think we've already achieved a good middle ground with the creation of public universities in every single state that offer 4-year degrees at a highly affordable cost.

    Wouldn't it be ironic and stupid to not hire someone and thereby not making resources available to a person that could have solved the HIV/AIDS problem just because they didn't have that piece of paper?
    I don't think I'm being too harsh in saying that there's no way on earth that someone who does not have the motivation and intelligence to attend college is going to be able to cure AIDS.

    People are right in saying that we as a society have become too capitalistic. I would posit that while people as individuals do have rights...society as a whole has rights also. Does individual rights trump societies rights? Or visa versa? Or is there a middle ground that can be accomplished?
    Of course - it's called heavily subsidized public education. It's absolutely free for 13 years and then available at below market rates for the next 4-10.
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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Unfortenately you can't get a degree by attending free lectures or going to libraries or reading from the internet. Remember people that do learn in those ways can't help in the areas that they learn if no one will hire them because they don't have a piece of paper saying that they know something of the field from some accredited university or college.

    People now a days look for that piece of paper, and if a person doesn't have that piece of paper then they are laughed away...regardless of weather or not what they bring to the table is valid. Indeed those people can't even get through the doors to get a first interview, much less get hired.

    Which means that all that studying that the person does is wasted for society as a whole.

    Wouldn't it be ironic and stupid to not hire someone and thereby not making resources available to a person that could have solved the HIV/AIDS problem just because they didn't have that piece of paper?

    People are right in saying that we as a society have become too capitalistic. I would posit that while people as individuals do have rights...society as a whole has rights also. Does individual rights trump societies rights? Or visa versa? Or is there a middle ground that can be accomplished?
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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    So people should have the right to attend universities for free? I think that's a bit ridiculous - you have to charge them something so that they have a vested interest in using the resources properly. I think we've already achieved a good middle ground with the creation of public universities in every single state that offer 4-year degrees at a highly affordable cost.
    I never said "free". But I do believe that the pathway to universities/colleges should be made easier. That doesn't have to mean free. Heck they could even keep the prices that they are charging now. In most cases it is the payments that make going prohibitive. Especially when you pay 500-1000 dollars in rent. Pay electric bill, phone bill etc etc. You might think that it's easy to get $7.5k but reality shows that this is not so for those that make minimum wage and try to provide for a family.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I don't think I'm being too harsh in saying that there's no way on earth that someone who does not have the motivation and intelligence to attend college is going to be able to cure AIDS.
    Why not? You try to make it sound like all you need is motivation to attend college. There are many things that prevent even those that are motivated from getting a loan to attend college...or saving up money to do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Of course - it's called heavily subsidized public education. It's absolutely free for 13 years and then available at below market rates for the next 4-10.
    Free? How is it free?
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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I never said "free". But I do believe that the pathway to universities/colleges should be made easier. That doesn't have to mean free. Heck they could even keep the prices that they are charging now. In most cases it is the payments that make going prohibitive. Especially when you pay 500-1000 dollars in rent. Pay electric bill, phone bill etc etc. You might think that it's easy to get $7.5k but reality shows that this is not so for those that make minimum wage and try to provide for a family.
    I'm sorry, are we supposed to feel sympathy for people who were so foolish as to *START* a family while making minimum wage? There's this thing called personal responsibility, maybe you've heard of it, where people need to take responsibility for their actions and not do stupid things that are potentially life-ruining because you're not ready for them.
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