View Poll Results: Should College Students Bear the Full Cost of Their Own Education?

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  • No, the government is rich and can take the money from the taxpayer anyway.

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  • No, they're too young and not ready for the rigors of personal responsibility.

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  • No, they don't have any other options in life.

    1 2.94%
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Thread: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Correct, but a very small percentage fit your category of having a valid excuse to not get out there and make an effort...

    We do need other forms of national service that allows a much higher percentage to earn their benefits, I will give you that.

    For 99% of us, National service of some kind should be a requirement for benefits like reduced tuition, subsidized health care, etc.
    The peace corp could be an option as well as various other options instead of the military.

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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Correct, but a very small percentage fit your category of having a valid excuse to not get out there and make an effort...

    We do need other forms of national service that allows a much higher percentage to earn their benefits, I will give you that.

    For 99% of us, National service of some kind should be a requirement for benefits like reduced tuition, subsidized health care, etc.
    Subsidized health care is already a part of the benefits of serving on a national level. Military or government.

    I'm curious as to what else you think a person should "serve" in order to recieve benefits.
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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Subsidized health care is already a part of the benefits of serving on a national level. Military or government.

    I'm curious as to what else you think a person should "serve" in order to recieve benefits.
    Benefits should be earned, or do you think they are rights?
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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Benefits should be earned, or do you think they are rights?
    Depends on the particular issue. But your statement/question doesn't answer mine.
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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I don't know where you get your figures but....



    The Cost of College in the United States
    I understand that many private colleges are expensive, but we're talking about public schools. The average tuition at a public university is $7,020/year.

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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I understand that many private colleges are expensive, but we're talking about public schools. The average tuition at a public university is $7,020/year.

    Michelle Singletary - The Color of Money: Getting a degree without going broke - washingtonpost.com
    How much are the expenses? Like books (I had a prof once that sold his book in his class) and food and beer?

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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    How much are the expenses? Like books (I had a prof once that sold his book in his class) and food and beer?
    I usually spent around 4-700 on books each semester. Beyond that, all the other expenses are things that people would incur whether or not they were in school.
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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Even if someone doesn't get a single penny from their family, has nothing saved up, and gets no financial aid from their school, they can earn cost of living + $7k/year by working any job out there. Furthermore, even if they don't want to work, they can take out loans to cover tuition + living.

    Given that, how exactly would I be surprised?
    When education is so expensive that many students have to take out loans (meaning they can't pay for it on what they earn or received alone), then I find that a problem because it destroys the very incentive to seek higher learning. If a student can actually make an easier living working at McDonald's or waiting tables than they would if they were going to school to earn a degree (which might not even guarantee them a better paying job once they graduate, plus the expenses from the student loans), there isn't a huge amount of incentive to pursue college for many students (unless they have well-off families, huge scholarships, are extremely passionate about a particular subject or career, or are just planning on partying until they drop out).

    For that matter, this creates less incentive to even care about high school. Since the main purpose of HS is to prepare students for college, if a student knows or assumes they will not be able to afford college, then where's the motivation to care about studying hard in HS? If all you're expecting is to work a low income job, then as long as you pass HS, even if you're at the bottom of your class, then all that's going to really matter to employers is your diploma or GED - not your grades, extra-circular activities, etc. And even a HS diploma isn't completely necessary just to get an low-income job.

    If the govt is really interested in better educating Americans and creating better jobs, then I think the should invest in making public colleges more affordable to the average student. That is my opinion.
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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    When education is so expensive that many students have to take out loans (meaning they can't pay for it on what they earn or received alone), then I find that a problem because it destroys the very incentive to seek higher learning. If a student can actually make an easier living working at McDonald's or waiting tables than they would if they were going to school to earn a degree (which might not even guarantee them a better paying job once they graduate, plus the expenses from the student loans), there isn't a huge amount of incentive to pursue college for many students (unless they have well-off families, huge scholarships, are extremely passionate about a particular subject or career, or are just planning on partying until they drop out).
    If a person can't comprehend that a 4-year degree will give them more career options than working at McDonalds, then it's not the money that's the problem.

    The report titled "The Big Payoff: Educational Attainment and Synthetic Estimates of Work-Life Earnings" (.pdf) reveals that over an adult's working life, high school graduates can expect, on average, to earn $1.2 million; those with a bachelor's degree, $2.1 million


    Almost double the salary and half the unemployment rate.

    For that matter, this creates less incentive to even care about high school. Since the main purpose of HS is to prepare students for college, if a student knows or assumes they will not be able to afford college, then where's the motivation to care about studying hard in HS? If all you're expecting is to work a low income job, then as long as you pass HS, even if you're at the bottom of your class, then all that's going to really matter to employers is your diploma or GED - not your grades, extra-circular activities, etc. And even a HS diploma isn't completely necessary just to get an low-income job.
    And if that person doesn't have the drive or the desire to put in anything more than minimal effort, then there's not much we as a society can do to help them.

    If the govt is really interested in better educating Americans and creating better jobs, then I think the should invest in making public colleges more affordable to the average student. That is my opinion
    They're already quite affordable.
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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Depends on the particular issue. But your statement/question doesn't answer mine.
    This thread is about education....I threw in health care.
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