Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

RDS · 11-21-09, 05:49 AM

Yeah, yeah, nothing is free cuz taxpayer's money need to be reserved for bailouts.

Toothpicvic · 11-21-09, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar

Any particular reason the students can't transfer to a college they can afford, or, barring that, getting a job and saving the money until they have the funds to pay for their own tuition?

I don't recall owing them a college education.

No one is owed anything, but if the govt is really interested in increasing the number of adults with college degrees and booting the number of better jobs in the US, there's no reason why they shouldn't lower college tuition costs, especially considering what a lot of this tuition money ends up being wasted on by these colleges.

The fact that so many students have to take out loans just to get an education shows just how crazy public college tuition is. Plenty of capable people don't go to college just because of the money issue, while at the same time, plenty of kids with well-off parents go to college, spend the whole time partying, and just drop out and end up working at McDonald's.

Who knows, maybe if the govt had reasonable college costs, the HS dropout rate would go down too. Because when the purpose of HS is to prepare for college and many of these lower-income class students know they probably can't afford college anyway, it kind of destroys much of the incentive to even care about finishing HS.

You can't teach kids responsibility when you don't even give them the opportunity to use it by jacking up tuition costs so much that a kid is more motivated just to get a fast food job. I'd love to see free public college tuition like they have in Sweden myself.

RightinNYC · 11-21-09, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Toothpicvic

No one is owed anything, but if the govt is really interested in increasing the number of adults with college degrees and booting the number of better jobs in the US, there's no reason why they shouldn't lower college tuition costs, especially considering what a lot of this tuition money ends up being wasted on by these colleges.

The fact that so many students have to take out loans just to get an education shows just how crazy public college tuition is. Plenty of capable people don't go to college just because of the money issue, while at the same time, plenty of kids with well-off parents go to college, spend the whole time partying, and just drop out and end up working at McDonald's.

Who knows, maybe if the govt had reasonable college costs, the HS dropout rate would go down too. Because when the purpose of HS is to prepare for college and many of these lower-income class students know they probably can't afford college anyway, it kind of destroys much of the incentive to even care about finishing HS.

You can't teach kids responsibility when you don't even give them the opportunity to use it by jacking up tuition costs so much that a kid is more motivated just to get a fast food job. I'd love to see free public college tuition like they have in Sweden myself.

In most states, public school tuition is between $2500-7500. There is absolutely no way that a person who genuinely wants to go to college cannot scrape together enough money between grants, jobs, and loans in order to pay for that.

Toothpicvic · 11-22-09, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RightinNYC

In most states, public school tuition is between $2500-7500. There is absolutely no way that a person who genuinely wants to go to college cannot scrape together enough money between grants, jobs, and loans in order to pay for that.

You might be surprised.

RightinNYC · 11-22-09, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Toothpicvic

You might be surprised.

Even if someone doesn't get a single penny from their family, has nothing saved up, and gets no financial aid from their school, they can earn cost of living + $7k/year by working any job out there. Furthermore, even if they don't want to work, they can take out loans to cover tuition + living.

Given that, how exactly would I be surprised?

disneydude · 11-22-09, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar

Any particular reason the students can't transfer to a college they can afford, or, barring that, getting a job and saving the money until they have the funds to pay for their own tuition?

I don't recall owing them a college education.

So you are advocating a total privatization of the education system?
That works great in a caste system and ensures that only the most wealthy will be educated and keeps the power in the hands of a few.

UtahBill · 11-22-09, 09:21 AM

My college was free, to me....I even got paid to go....on the GI Bill...
That option is open to most citizens, just serve in the military for a while....

Kal'Stang · 11-22-09, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RightinNYC

In most states, public school tuition is between $2500-7500. There is absolutely no way that a person who genuinely wants to go to college cannot scrape together enough money between grants, jobs, and loans in order to pay for that.

I don't know where you get your figures but....

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Attending a college or university in the United States is very expensive. A year at a prominent four-year university can cost almost $50,000, and this does not include the extra costs of housing, transportation, and other living expenses. There are, of course, less expensive options at colleges that also offer an excellent education. Most four-year colleges cost at least $10,000 per year, and many more are in the $20,000 to $30,000 range. For families in the United States, paying for the education of their children has become a major expense. Many families begin saving money from the time their children are born, and some states offer incentive plans for savings programs.

The Cost of College in the United States

Kal'Stang · 11-22-09, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by UtahBill

My college was free, to me....I even got paid to go....on the GI Bill...
That option is open to most citizens, just serve in the military for a while....

Not everyone is suited to military life or is even capable of entering into the military.

UtahBill · 11-22-09, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Kal'Stang

Not everyone is suited to military life or is even capable of entering into the military.

Correct, but a very small percentage fit your category of having a valid excuse to not get out there and make an effort...

We do need other forms of national service that allows a much higher percentage to earn their benefits, I will give you that.

For 99% of us, National service of some kind should be a requirement for benefits like reduced tuition, subsidized health care, etc.

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