View Poll Results: Should College Students Bear the Full Cost of Their Own Education?

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  • No, the government is rich and can take the money from the taxpayer anyway.

    7 20.59%
  • No, they're too young and not ready for the rigors of personal responsibility.

    3 8.82%
  • No, they don't have any other options in life.

    1 2.94%
  • Yes, they're legal adults, treat them like adults.

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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Ok. That is just stupid. There is NO DEBTORS PRISON. Don't like it? GET THE **** OF THE COUNTRY.

    We do not need republicanazi asshatary in this country. We do not have the time or the inclination to deal with this ****. If you don't like the United States, feel free to get the **** out.
    Every now and then I read about some rich doctor lawyer or other professional who is living large, and still hasn't started paying off their student loans voluntarily.

    I agree that we don't need debtors prisons, but there should be some severe financial penalties for not paying your debts when you can obviously afford to do such...
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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Every now and then I read about some rich doctor lawyer or other professional who is living large, and still hasn't started paying off their student loans voluntarily.

    I agree that we don't need debtors prisons, but there should be some severe financial penalties for not paying your debts when you can obviously afford to do such...
    Rich republicans need to pay their debts. Poor people will pay their debts when terms are reasonable.

    Harassing the poor over repayment is unacceptable.

    Doctors, lawyers, and various other overpaid elitest assholes ... yes, put them in jail.

    Middle class and poor folks working to pay off unreasonable debts --- NO. Leave them alone. Strict penalties for abusive collections practices need to be enforced.

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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Rich republicans need to pay their debts. Poor people will pay their debts when terms are reasonable.

    Harassing the poor over repayment is unacceptable.

    Doctors, lawyers, and various other overpaid elitest assholes ... yes, put them in jail.

    Middle class and poor folks working to pay off unreasonable debts --- NO. Leave them alone. Strict penalties for abusive collections practices need to be enforced.
    You can't pay off your debts from jail, you have to be working....

    and rich or poor, if you incur the debt, you pay the debt..

    What is "unreasonable debt" to you?
    For me, it is going into debt for things I don't need.
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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Unfortenately you can't get a degree by attending free lectures or going to libraries or reading from the internet. Remember people that do learn in those ways can't help in the areas that they learn if no one will hire them because they don't have a piece of paper saying that they know something of the field from some accredited university or college.
    Here’s the funny thing though.

    The more you make it easier and easier for people to get that “piece of paper” the less value that piece of paper will have. You can already see that over the past decade as more jobs are now wanting some kind of graduate level education, not just a bachelors. Part of why the college degree was special was that it wasn’t just assumed the majority of the work force would be attempting to get one. It showed dedication because people didn’t always do it, where as now it just seen by some as an extension of high school that people just go and do. Its become almost as much a social thing in our society, that you go to college cause that’s what you do, as it is about education.

    College is turning into the old high school, with graduated school starting to turn into the new college.

    Kori was spot on. There are problems with the college system but the barriers of entry being too difficult is generally not one of them, but rather on the flip side the barriers being lowered again and again by financial, social, or political means is devaluing the college experience and education.

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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Here’s the funny thing though.

    The more you make it easier and easier for people to get that “piece of paper” the less value that piece of paper will have. You can already see that over the past decade as more jobs are now wanting some kind of graduate level education, not just a bachelors. Part of why the college degree was special was that it wasn’t just assumed the majority of the work force would be attempting to get one. It showed dedication because people didn’t always do it, where as now it just seen by some as an extension of high school that people just go and do. Its become almost as much a social thing in our society, that you go to college cause that’s what you do, as it is about education.

    College is turning into the old high school, with graduated school starting to turn into the new college.

    Kori was spot on. There are problems with the college system but the barriers of entry being too difficult is generally not one of them, but rather on the flip side the barriers being lowered again and again by financial, social, or political means is devaluing the college experience and education.
    Lowering the entry barrier is fine, as long as they are paying customers, and don't drag down the rest of the class....
    I say if you can do the course work, you shouldn't even need a high school diploma. Even the D students are bound to learn something.

    One thing I learned while spending 8 years taking night classes, the administrators of the colleges can be just plain stupid. THEY are sometimes the ones who devalue the degree....

    I started at age 31, and by age 39 was getting close to satisfying the requirements for a bachelors degree, and THEN they wanted my high school transcript. I was carrying a more than respectable GPA on college level work, and they wanted my high school grades. I told them that my high school grades were pathetic, based on teenage attitude issues, but they insisted. Those HS records were long gone, and in the end I had to send the HS my copy which they certified and sent back. The admin type I was dealing with had a law degree, and he was an assistant in the running of an extension branch of a university. Guess he couldn't cut it as a lawyer...
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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Rich republicans need to pay their debts. Poor people will pay their debts when terms are reasonable.

    Harassing the poor over repayment is unacceptable.

    Doctors, lawyers, and various other overpaid elitest assholes ... yes, put them in jail.

    Middle class and poor folks working to pay off unreasonable debts --- NO. Leave them alone. Strict penalties for abusive collections practices need to be enforced.
    Unreasonable debt is any debt which is artificially inflated by excessive fees. It's any debt that is made worse by uneccesary penalties and interest.

    Putting poor people in jail for not having the ability to quench the greed of the far right is just unacceptable.

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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Unreasonable debt is any debt which is artificially inflated by excessive fees. It's any debt that is made worse by uneccesary penalties and interest.

    Putting poor people in jail for not having the ability to quench the greed of the far right is just unacceptable.
    Can I borrow some money from you?

    There are no people in jail for not paying debts, not in this country....
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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Here’s the funny thing though.

    The more you make it easier and easier for people to get that “piece of paper” the less value that piece of paper will have. You can already see that over the past decade as more jobs are now wanting some kind of graduate level education, not just a bachelors. Part of why the college degree was special was that it wasn’t just assumed the majority of the work force would be attempting to get one. It showed dedication because people didn’t always do it, where as now it just seen by some as an extension of high school that people just go and do. Its become almost as much a social thing in our society, that you go to college cause that’s what you do, as it is about education.

    College is turning into the old high school, with graduated school starting to turn into the new college.

    Kori was spot on. There are problems with the college system but the barriers of entry being too difficult is generally not one of them, but rather on the flip side the barriers being lowered again and again by financial, social, or political means is devaluing the college experience and education.
    Yes, there was a time when college degrees weren't standard. However, I wouldn't say that because more people get the degree means the degree is worth less. It certainly isn't like "Oh wow, you went to college..." anymore. But at the same accord, a lot of the factory jobs and such aren't there anymore. It's harder to be able to get out of high school and jump into a job. America's markets have become a lot more technology based, we deal with high tech. And for jobs like that, a degree is going to be necessary. So as the jobs shift away from production and towards technology there's going to be more and more jobs requiring some form of higher degree and less and less which can be done without it.

    Now, there are certainly some industry jobs which can be done without a college education which will now require them. This is because the college education is becoming standard. I don't think that's a bad thing. Our Universities rank amongst the best in the world. And further education is good for the population as well. The more educated people are, the more likely they're going to be to sit down and think about situations and problems. An educated populace is a necessity to the continuation of a free Republic. So in the end, even with as much as I bitch about the undergrads (most of them are retards) especially psychology and business majors, it's a good thing that more people are going to school. Not only because of the changing demands of the job market; but also for the general prosperity of the people and the Republic.
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    Re: Shouldn't Adults Getting a College Education Pay for it Themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, there was a time when college degrees weren't standard. However, I wouldn't say that because more people get the degree means the degree is worth less. It certainly isn't like "Oh wow, you went to college..." anymore. But at the same accord, a lot of the factory jobs and such aren't there anymore. It's harder to be able to get out of high school and jump into a job. America's markets have become a lot more technology based, we deal with high tech. And for jobs like that, a degree is going to be necessary. So as the jobs shift away from production and towards technology there's going to be more and more jobs requiring some form of higher degree and less and less which can be done without it.

    Now, there are certainly some industry jobs which can be done without a college education which will now require them. This is because the college education is becoming standard. I don't think that's a bad thing. Our Universities rank amongst the best in the world. And further education is good for the population as well. The more educated people are, the more likely they're going to be to sit down and think about situations and problems. An educated populace is a necessity to the continuation of a free Republic. So in the end, even with as much as I bitch about the undergrads (most of them are retards) especially psychology and business majors, it's a good thing that more people are going to school. Not only because of the changing demands of the job market; but also for the general prosperity of the people and the Republic.
    Add some ethics to education, and we make progress. The more the public knows about how govt operates, the more they will want to get the scoundrels out of office, and off of wall street...
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