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    Psychedelic Hotel idea

    Being an advocate of using psychedelic substances for therapy and spiritual growth, I have an idea and I am interested to see what DPers think about it.

    It would essentially be a hotel, run by medical professionals(mainly clinical psychologists) where people could stay have guided psychedelic experiences under the supervision of doctors. This way, any "bad trips" could be dealt with by individuals who know how to counteract the effects of whichever drug was ingested. This offers a safe and extremely productive alternative to using substances unsupervised. Also, the user would know that the substance he was taking was actually the substance it was advertised to be. Because of the illegality and the drug market, a lot of things are sold under popular names but which are not the actual substances. A lot of what gets passed around as "Ecstasy" is not MDMA, but pills containing a wide array of substances from caffeine to heroine to 2c-B to speed.

    Anyway, I was just curious to see what you guys have to say about this idea, good or bad.
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    Re: Psychedelic Hotel idea

    I think people should be able to do as they want, and if you wanted such an establishment I don't have a problem with it. Ecstasy is horrible for people though, and other psychedelic drugs have very negative long term effects. But if people want to flip the middle finger to nature, let them.
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    Re: Psychedelic Hotel idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think people should be able to do as they want, and if you wanted such an establishment I don't have a problem with it.
    I also think that people should do what they want with their bodies.

    Ecstasy is horrible for people though
    Ecstasy abuse is horrible for people. It will fry your serotonin receptors. However, one must be using X on a relatively regular basis for a bit of time before anything like that occurs.

    and other psychedelic drugs have very negative long term effects.
    I'll disagree. The main problem is that psychedelic drugs have not been studied long enough to evaluate the long-term effects. HPPD is always an issue, but it's not that much of a deterrent in my opinion.

    Also, have you ever heard of Alexander Shulgin? The guy has synthesized and taken over 200 psychedelic substances and is still sharp as a tack, even though he is in his 80's now.


    But if people want to flip the middle finger to nature, let them.
    Agreed.
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    Re: Psychedelic Hotel idea

    The frying of serotonin receptors and other chemical producers/receptors in the brain begin to happen at trip #1.
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    Re: Psychedelic Hotel idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The frying of serotonin receptors and other chemical producers/receptors in the brain begin to happen at trip #1.
    Just because substances latch onto the receptors does not mean the receptors are being fried or damaged. The main factor is the individual's physiological makeup. Some people can take LSD and become schizophrenic. It varies by individual.
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    Re: Psychedelic Hotel idea

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Just because substances latch onto the receptors does not mean the receptors are being fried or damaged. The main factor is the individual's physiological makeup. Some people can take LSD and become schizophrenic. It varies by individual.
    Scientific study disagrees with you, but it's not a point I care much about. I like my brain, not going to do much to it to radically alter its operation and chemistry. If others want to destroy their brain, more power to them.
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    Re: Psychedelic Hotel idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Scientific study disagrees with you, but it's not a point I care much about. I like my brain, not going to do much to it to radically alter its operation and chemistry. If others want to destroy their brain, more power to them.
    Can you provide a link? If I'm wrong, I'd like to know.
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    Re: Psychedelic Hotel idea

    Well, no.

    First, its too reminiscent of the opium dens of yore.

    Second, there's issues of liability that would make insuring such an operation practically impossible.

    That's just from matters of practicality. Speaking as a libertarian, I can't see any issues arising from people entering freely into a contract to perform services such as this. But society isn't mature enough to allow people their freedom to be truly and totally stupid.

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    Re: Psychedelic Hotel idea

    Mental health and mental fitness aside... I'm going to try and look at it from a practicality perspective.

    One problem that I see with this "hotel" idea is it's "doctors." Who will be willing to go through the schooling it takes to become a doctor only to become no more than a person who works at a Hookah Lounge? Even if they're nurses, the training required to be a nurse would probably over-qualify them for such a position at that "hotel." So I guess my question is, what "doctor" would be willing to work at such a place?
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    Re: Psychedelic Hotel idea

    The primary problem I have with what you are suggesting, is that those people who managed to really screw themselves up after going to the "hotel" would expect the rest of us to pay for their screwed-up selves for the rest of their screwed-up lives. In my observation, the vast majority of regular joes are nowhere near being ready for personal insight or enlightenment. It is fuel for a fire that will burn them.
    Other than that, if people want to take the risk, it's fine with me as long as the rest of us are not required to pay for it.

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