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    Re: Psychedelic Hotel idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    How do you know they are meth users?

    Well for starters the Filename...


    And anyone who's taken a semester in Substance Abuse or can use Google can easily find out what outward symptoms meth addicts show





    also! Here's one of an alcoholic. Don't know if it was a 1 time thing or a hardcore addict though...


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    Re: Psychedelic Hotel idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    This is awesomely awesome recreational therapy!
    MDMA is useful in sufferers of PTSD. In conjunction with therapy and standard drug treatment, it reduces the incidence and the intensity of flashbacks and helps the patient to reestablish normal emotional responses to stimuli. In moderate, therapeutic use the damage to serotonin receptors is mild to non-existent and is easily offset by the antidepressants that are among the standard treatment options for PTSD.

    I'm not suggesting anyone use MDMA outside of a clinical setting. It's filthy stuff and half the time you're only getting standard methamphetamines anyway. But it's foolish to discard a drug's legitimate medicinal uses because of the potential for abuse-- heroin was invented as a less addictive alternative to morphine, after all.
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    Re: Psychedelic Hotel idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not prolonged, immediate. Studies show that that effect occurs with very limited use, the effects on chemical receptors in the brain is profound. Ecstasy is bad, that's all there is to it. Doing it is stupid, that's all there is to it. I understand people wanting to do drugs and such, and I'll let people make their own mistakes. But people should talk honestly about the drug use. If you look up the studies, you'll find that there is good indication that effects of ecstasy can manifest themselves after the first use.
    There's still a lot we do not know about prolonged MDMA usage.

    Data suggest that MDMA may be toxic to the brain. Dr. George Ricaurte, an associate professor of neurology at Johns Hopkins University, analyzed brain scans of people who had used ecstasy. The study included people who had used ecstasy an average of 200 times over five years. Although the behavior of these people appeared normal, brain scans showed that the drug had damaged their brains. In fact, those who used the drug more often had more brain damage than less frequent users. Moreover, memory tests of people who have taken ecstasy as compared to non-drug users have shown that the ecstasy users had lower scores. Specifically, the drug damaged cells that release the neurotransmitter called serotonin. Using an imaging technique called positron emission tomography (PET), Ricaurte noted a 20-60% reduction in healthy serotonin cells in the drug users. Damage to these cells could affect a person's abilities to remember and to learn.

    At this point, scientists do not know if this damage is permanent, or if those damaged cells will replace themselves. Also, it is not known if this loss of cells affects behavior or the ability to think. Ricaurte is conducting other studies to gauge ecstasy's effect on mood, memory, cognition, and behaviors such as eating and sleeping. In 2003, German researchers used PET scans to study the brains of current and past users of ecstasy. This research demonstrated that ecstasy users had lower levels of serotonin activity in several brain areas. However, ecstasy users who stopped using the drug 20 weeks before the scan showed some recovery in serotonin function.
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    Re: Psychedelic Hotel idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    How do you know they are meth users?



    Did you fail to read how the topic got off on MDMA and Ecstacy or as Mr. Ethereal put it "E".

    Glorifying the use of drugs turns people into the above pictured folks.

    The attitude, "I know its bad for me but its AWESOMeeeEe!!" turns people into the above listed folks.
    Who here is glorifying drug usage?
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    Re: Psychedelic Hotel idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    MDMA is useful in sufferers of PTSD. In conjunction with therapy and standard drug treatment, it reduces the incidence and the intensity of flashbacks and helps the patient to reestablish normal emotional responses to stimuli. In moderate, therapeutic use the damage to serotonin receptors is mild to non-existent and is easily offset by the antidepressants that are among the standard treatment options for PTSD.

    I'm not suggesting anyone use MDMA outside of a clinical setting. It's filthy stuff and half the time you're only getting standard methamphetamines anyway. But it's foolish to discard a drug's legitimate medicinal uses because of the potential for abuse-- heroin was invented as a less addictive alternative to morphine, after all.
    I find it interesting that heroine is less addictive than methadone, the pharmaceutical substance which is legally prescribed as an analgesic. My mom took methadone for a while and the physical withdrawal was essentially a longer version of a heroine withdrawal.
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    Re: Psychedelic Hotel idea

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    There's still a lot we do not know about prolonged MDMA usage.
    With regards to cells replacing the damaged cells, neurons in both the central and peripheral nervous system do not exhibit a high tendency to do so.

    Neurons do not replenish like other cells in the body. Only in the early years of life, say 3-6 year old children, may display some acuity to adapt to neural damage. Afterward, especially after puberty, replacement of these types of cells are nearly impossible. Once the damage is done, it is very difficult to undue and most of the time it is irreversible.
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    Re: Psychedelic Hotel idea

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    There's still a lot we do not know about prolonged MDMA usage.
    Experiments on rats and monkeys are different though. The only thing is if you can draw conclusions about humans based off of it (for I don't think they would really allow this human experimentation to see for sure). The latest findings are that the damage is near immediate and permanent. As I said, I'm not going to stop people from destroying their brains. If they want to spit in the face of evolution, they can. Some of those people I'll probably stop regarding as human though.
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