Psychedelic Hotel idea

donc · 11-26-09, 06:59 PM

YouTube- The Eagles - Hotel California (Original)

Some reason this song just popped into my head when I seen this thread..The part that says "When those voices say from far away" and "were prisoners here of out own devices."plus this one. "you can check out anytime you like but you can never leave".

UtahBill · 11-26-09, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by EgoffTib

Maybe you should research this topic a bit more thoroughly...
MAPS: Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies

No thanks, I have been around long enough to know stupid when I see it, don't need to do any new research to prove what I already know....

lizzie · 11-26-09, 08:16 PM

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MAPS’ focus on altered states of consciousness also requires MAPS to deal with deep–seated cultural and individual ambivalence toward religious experiences, the exploration of the unconscious mind, fear of death and loss of control, and powerful emotional states.

The above part of the linked information is exactly what I was getting at. The vast majority of people don't want to explore deep-seated cultural ambivalences or any of the other objectives/ intentions discussed. They are not psychologically capable of insight or self-exploration. I've known lots of drug-users in my lifetime. As a general rule, they don't want enlightenment- they want to escape from the realities of life. A couple of them OD'd and died from drug use. They were very unhappy individuals, and they were intelligent and creative people whom I loved dearly. I have no problem with people using drugs. If they want to kill themselves with drugs it's their business. If they just want to get high and escape reality, I have no problem with it. That being said, I have yet to meet a single person who became "enlightened" through the use of mind-altering drugs.

EgoffTib · 11-26-09, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by lizzie

The above part of the linked information is exactly what I was getting at. The vast majority of people don't want to explore deep-seated cultural ambivalences or any of the other objectives/ intentions discussed. They are not psychologically capable of insight or self-exploration. I've known lots of drug-users in my lifetime. As a general rule, they don't want enlightenment- they want to escape from the realities of life. A couple of them OD'd and died from drug use. They were very unhappy individuals, and they were intelligent and creative people whom I loved dearly. I have no problem with people using drugs. If they want to kill themselves with drugs it's their business. If they just want to get high and escape reality, I have no problem with it. That being said, I have yet to meet a single person who became "enlightened" through the use of mind-altering drugs.

It depends on what how you define "enlightened." In the Buddhist sense, I would say that they were not. Have some people changed their lives for better through psychedelic usage? Absolutely.

lizzie · 11-26-09, 11:11 PM

I guess it depends on your definition of "changed their lives for the better".

Most of my drug-using friends are old burned-out hippies who just want to get through the day so they can get high. Not that there's anything wrong with that- it just hasn't improved their lives that I see or hear evidence of.

EgoffTib · 11-26-09, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by lizzie

I guess it depends on your definition of "changed their lives for the better".

Most of my drug-using friends are old burned-out hippies who just want to get through the day so they can get high. Not that there's anything wrong with that- it just hasn't improved their lives that I see or hear evidence of.

Then I would wager that they merely had a sensory experience, rather than one on the symbolic, integral, or recollective-analytical levels.

spud_meister · 11-26-09, 11:22 PM

it's a bad idea, people go to a hotel to get their fix, they go home, they want to go again but they dont have the money, so they find a dealer on the street.
any form of legitemised drug use is a bad idea, drugs lead to messed up lives and mental illness, i know people who suffer schizophrenia and bi polar due to drug use.
there are no positives, sure, you get high for a while, but then you come down and you want more and more and you end up looking like mick jagger.

Kali · 11-26-09, 11:23 PM

I love the idea and would wanna work there as a clerk or something. Only down side to it would be that your trip may be supressed by being holed up in a Hotel because what you are talking about is a controlled setting and that may inhibit one from fully enjoying the ride if ya know what I mean.

EgoffTib · 11-26-09, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by spud_meister

it's a bad idea, people go to a hotel to get their fix, they go home, they want to go again but they dont have the money, so they find a dealer on the street.
any form of legitemised drug use is a bad idea, drugs lead to messed up lives and mental illness, i know people who suffer schizophrenia and bi polar due to drug use.
there are no positives, sure, you get high for a while, but then you come down and you want more and more and you end up looking like mick jagger.

Why don't you try using supported and cited facts in your argument next time?

Kali · 11-26-09, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat

They wouldn't ask the taxpayer to support them for the rest of their lives. They'd sue the hotel, saying it was responsible for them frying their brains. And the jury would probably award multimillion dollar damages because they're all stupid, worthless sheep who want to make sure that when they make their own failed bid to win the Darwin Award that other stupid, worthless sheep will be there to support them with someone else's money.

God, at least the taxes are honest and spread out across the entire country. We can almost afford supporting useless people that way.

That is what release forms are all about. You would have to sign a bunch of paperwork. Kinda like what you have to do if you wanna go skydiving or some such thing.

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lizzie Professor Join Date: Oct 2009 Last Seen: Today 03:14 PM Location: In an alternate dimension Posts: 1,380 Thanks: 597 Thanked 455 Times in 333 Posts Lean: Private Gender:	Re: Psychedelic Hotel idea I guess it depends on your definition of "changed their lives for the better". Most of my drug-using friends are old burned-out hippies who just want to get through the day so they can get high. Not that there's anything wrong with that- it just hasn't improved their lives that I see or hear evidence of.

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spud_meister Professor Join Date: Nov 2009 Last Seen: Today 01:04 PM Location: Biggest Down Under Posts: 1,391 Thanks: 360 Thanked 295 Times in 215 Posts Lean: Very Liberal Gender:	Re: Psychedelic Hotel idea it's a bad idea, people go to a hotel to get their fix, they go home, they want to go again but they dont have the money, so they find a dealer on the street. any form of legitemised drug use is a bad idea, drugs lead to messed up lives and mental illness, i know people who suffer schizophrenia and bi polar due to drug use. there are no positives, sure, you get high for a while, but then you come down and you want more and more and you end up looking like mick jagger.

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