Psychedelic Hotel idea

Korimyr the Rat · 11-23-09, 07:03 AM

They wouldn't ask the taxpayer to support them for the rest of their lives. They'd sue the hotel, saying it was responsible for them frying their brains. And the jury would probably award multimillion dollar damages because they're all stupid, worthless sheep who want to make sure that when they make their own failed bid to win the Darwin Award that other stupid, worthless sheep will be there to support them with someone else's money.

God, at least the taxes are honest and spread out across the entire country. We can almost afford supporting useless people that way.

WI Crippler · 11-23-09, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat

They wouldn't ask the taxpayer to support them for the rest of their lives. They'd sue the hotel, saying it was responsible for them frying their brains. And the jury would probably award multimillion dollar damages because they're all stupid, worthless sheep who want to make sure that when they make their own failed bid to win the Darwin Award that other stupid, worthless sheep will be there to support them with someone else's money.

God, at least the taxes are honest and spread out across the entire country. We can almost afford supporting useless people that way.

That's still treating the symptom, and not the disease

Korimyr the Rat · 11-23-09, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by WI Crippler

That's still treating the symptom, and not the disease

Yes, but how many people have the stomach to actually solve the problem of worthless people in society? I have to be very careful even discussing that the problem exists, much less how to solve it, lest I run afoul of our hate speech rules.

We have to do something about them, and we've already ruled out the best option before we've crossed the starting line.

lizzie · 11-23-09, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat

They wouldn't ask the taxpayer to support them for the rest of their lives. They'd sue the hotel, saying it was responsible for them frying their brains. .

I honestly think they would do both.

WI Crippler · 11-23-09, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat

Yes, but how many people have the stomach to actually solve the problem of worthless people in society? I have to be very careful even discussing that the problem exists, much less how to solve it, lest I run afoul of our hate speech rules.

We have to do something about them, and we've already ruled out the best option before we've crossed the starting line.

Medical research subjects?

UtahBill · 11-23-09, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by EgoffTib

Being an advocate of using psychedelic substances for therapy and spiritual growth, I have an idea and I am interested to see what DPers think about it.

It would essentially be a hotel, run by medical professionals(mainly clinical psychologists) where people could stay have guided psychedelic experiences under the supervision of doctors. This way, any "bad trips" could be dealt with by individuals who know how to counteract the effects of whichever drug was ingested. This offers a safe and extremely productive alternative to using substances unsupervised. Also, the user would know that the substance he was taking was actually the substance it was advertised to be. Because of the illegality and the drug market, a lot of things are sold under popular names but which are not the actual substances. A lot of what gets passed around as "Ecstasy" is not MDMA, but pills containing a wide array of substances from caffeine to heroine to 2c-B to speed.

Anyway, I was just curious to see what you guys have to say about this idea, good or bad.

Therapy? spiritual growth?
This idea sounds like it came from someone who has already overcooked his cerebral cortex...

earthworm · 11-25-09, 01:00 AM

Its fine for those weak of mind, or those hopelessly lost.
This cannot, must not be paid by any government health plan..
Is there any way of saving these people, other than prevention ?

Lightdemon · 11-25-09, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by UtahBill

Therapy? spiritual growth?
This idea sounds like it came from someone who has already overcooked his cerebral cortex...

While I don't agree with Egotiff's position on using those type of drugs, I don't think I can count it out as a possibility. Pot can be use for medical reasons, and it could be used for socializing, and it can also be abused. It could be the same for psychedelic drugs, but as far as I know there isn't any clear health benefits known, yet.

This article may be a good comparison for this "hotel" idea.

Local News | Portland cafe's specialty: medical-marijuana tokes | Seattle Times Newspaper

EgoffTib · 11-26-09, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by UtahBill

Therapy? spiritual growth?
This idea sounds like it came from someone who has already overcooked his cerebral cortex...

Maybe you should research this topic a bit more thoroughly...

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We believe that psychedelics and marijuana, when used in proper settings, can be beneficial for such uses as psychotherapeutic treatment, physiological research and treatment, treatment of addiction, pain relief, spiritual exploration, creativity research, shamanic healing, psychic research, brain physiology research and related scientific inquiries.

We pursue our research mission by helping and/or sponsoring scientific researchers to design, obtain governmental approval for, fund, conduct and report on psychedelic and marijuana research in human volunteers.

We pursue our educational mission through maintaining our website; engaging the media in dialogue;publishing books; publishing a Bulletin that is sent to its members as well as government policy makers and academic experts; and speaking at universities, conferences and other events. We also provide psychedelic emergency services at festivals where psychedelics are likely to be used in an effort to model harm reduction techniques in a post–prohibition world.

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MAPS explores issues surrounding pharmacologically–altered states of consciousness. We have positioned ourself directly at the center of the conflict between scientific freedom and the politically–driven strategy of the War on Drugs. The contemporary status of prohibition categorizes all illegal drug uses as destructive and blurs all distinctions between use and abuse. MAPS’ focus on altered states of consciousness also requires MAPS to deal with deep–seated cultural and individual ambivalence toward religious experiences, the exploration of the unconscious mind, fear of death and loss of control, and powerful emotional states. We take great efforts to find ways to balance the hopes and fears of government regulators, scientific researchers, drug policy advocates, patients, and people with a non–medical (e.g. spiritual, recreational, artistic, creative problem–solving) interest in psychedelic drugs and marijuana.

MAPS: Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies

EgoffTib · 11-26-09, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by earthworm

Its fine for those weak of mind, or those hopelessly lost.
This cannot, must not be paid by any government health plan..
Is there any way of saving these people, other than prevention ?

You do realize that psychedelic drug use requires a large amount of intellectual fortitude, right?

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