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    Re: Would the rich miss 5%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Days View Post
    Not necessarily. I would be one of those who would be taxed the extra 5% and I think it would be worth it.
    So donate it. Feel free to give your money away to anyone who will take it. That is your choice.

    What should NOT be your choice is how much of MY money will be stolen from me.

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    Re: Would the rich miss 5%?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    So donate it. Feel free to give your money away to anyone who will take it. That is your choice.

    What should NOT be your choice is how much of MY money will be stolen from me.
    What good would that do anyone? I can give $20 to every homeless man I see every day and it won't fix the healthcare system. That's the topic here.

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    Re: Would the rich miss 5%?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    What makes that untrue? Have you observed very many rich people and poor people on an up-close and personal basis?
    Yes. Have you?

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    Re: Would the rich miss 5%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Days View Post
    What good would that do anyone? I can give $20 to every homeless man I see every day and it won't fix the healthcare system. That's the topic here.
    You can give $20 to every homeless man every day and it won't fix anything. There are definitely some problems with the health care system, but what our politicians are currently trying to do won't fix it, and will most likely make it worse. You can't keep piling on the taxes on the rich and fix society's problems. Eventually, the rich will run out, or there will be a tax rebellion, and either way, the system is screwed. What we are doing is unsustainable.

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    Re: Would the rich miss 5%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Days View Post
    Yes. Have you?
    What makes it untrue?

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    Re: Would the rich miss 5%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Days View Post
    What do you think, would people earning over $250K a year miss 5%?
    $12,500 can buy a lot of things in this country so yes they would miss it just as a man making $30,000 a year would miss $1,500 if the government took an extra 5% out of his check.$12,500 can buy a car, plus thats a lot of hours of your life working that you will never get back.
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    Re: Would the rich miss 5%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Days View Post
    What do you mean, "because they didn't buy their own"? That wasn't part of the discussion. If we all paid a percentage of our income then we could work together and provide health care for everyone. If someone is sick then they need to be able to see a doctor to get well. We are a civilized nation, not a bunch of selfish gits who don't care about our fellow countrymen, aren't we?
    You said you wanted the rich to pay an extra 5%, implying that the poor would not be paying this extra 5%. Meaning that the poor would be getting the benefits from the rich.

    Nice use of the "pull on my heartstrings" argument there. I personally am not a "selfish git". I just think I am more entitled to the fruits of my own work than other people are. If that makes me selfish, so be it.

    What you are advocating, as far as I can tell, is a universal, single payer, health care system where the price is saddled upon the rich. You honestly expect such a thing to work?
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    Re: Would the rich miss 5%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Days View Post
    What good would that do anyone? I can give $20 to every homeless man I see every day and it won't fix the healthcare system. That's the topic here.
    So, taking from the 'haves' and giving to the 'have nots' doesn't work, eh?

    That is what you're advocating though.

    What will "fix" the healthcare system to get the ****ing government's nose out of it along with getting rid of health insurance altogether AND tort reform.

    None of the bull**** coming from our retards in govt right now are actually addressing the issue. All they are doing is essentially taking $20 from one person and giving it to another.

    Lastly, if I had more of my money to give my family, they wouldn't NEED any government assistance. But instead, my money is stolen from me by the thousands, making it impossible for me to give my family the support they need.

    What you and others like you seem to advocate is just that... take so much of our money away that our only choice is to rely on the government. And I say, **** that.

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    Re: Would the rich miss 5%?

    i think theres a big difference in how people make money

    its one thing if you work for a salary

    another thing if you run a business

    and another thing completely if you are a market speculator

    in first case i don't see why you should pay more than anybody else simply because you work harder

    in second place you should maybe pay a little more but not so much that you may get discouraged, sell your business and go work for a salary

    in the last case - **** you ! you should be taxed at 100% minus some food stamps.
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    Re: Would the rich miss 5%?

    Would they miss it? I'd say the liquid rich wouldn't. The super leveraged rich would dearly. Marginally, that 5% is pretty low in utility compared to utility for the poor. That said, just because they wouldn't miss it doesn't make it right to increase taxation.

    However, if 5% more taxes prevents a financial collapse of the US down the road and maintains the system which allows the rich to maintain and build wealth, then the rich should be on board with this as the overall gains to them from paying the extra 5% are far, far, far cheaper then the costs of a financial collapse and likely destruction of much of their wealth in addition to the collapse of the mechanism to build more wealth in the processes they are accustom to.

    What people tend to ignore is the $50+ trillion unfunded liabilities sitting in a dark corner in the US. They focus on short term issues and ignore the real problem. A minor tax increase is nothing compared to what we'll have to do to pay off that monster. Some perspective is in order.
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