"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"
Cicero Marcus Tullius
Nice use of the "pull on my heartstrings" argument there. I personally am not a "selfish git". I just think I am more entitled to the fruits of my own work than other people are. If that makes me selfish, so be it.
What you are advocating, as far as I can tell, is a universal, single payer, health care system where the price is saddled upon the rich. You honestly expect such a thing to work?
I cannot trust a man to control others who cannot control himself.
That is what you're advocating though.
What will "fix" the healthcare system to get the ****ing government's nose out of it along with getting rid of health insurance altogether AND tort reform.
None of the bull**** coming from our retards in govt right now are actually addressing the issue. All they are doing is essentially taking $20 from one person and giving it to another.
Lastly, if I had more of my money to give my family, they wouldn't NEED any government assistance. But instead, my money is stolen from me by the thousands, making it impossible for me to give my family the support they need.
What you and others like you seem to advocate is just that... take so much of our money away that our only choice is to rely on the government. And I say, **** that.
i think theres a big difference in how people make money
its one thing if you work for a salary
another thing if you run a business
and another thing completely if you are a market speculator
in first case i don't see why you should pay more than anybody else simply because you work harder
in second place you should maybe pay a little more but not so much that you may get discouraged, sell your business and go work for a salary
in the last case - **** you ! you should be taxed at 100% minus some food stamps.
Last edited by NEUROSPORT; 11-19-09 at 09:43 PM.
Would they miss it? I'd say the liquid rich wouldn't. The super leveraged rich would dearly. Marginally, that 5% is pretty low in utility compared to utility for the poor. That said, just because they wouldn't miss it doesn't make it right to increase taxation.
However, if 5% more taxes prevents a financial collapse of the US down the road and maintains the system which allows the rich to maintain and build wealth, then the rich should be on board with this as the overall gains to them from paying the extra 5% are far, far, far cheaper then the costs of a financial collapse and likely destruction of much of their wealth in addition to the collapse of the mechanism to build more wealth in the processes they are accustom to.
What people tend to ignore is the $50+ trillion unfunded liabilities sitting in a dark corner in the US. They focus on short term issues and ignore the real problem. A minor tax increase is nothing compared to what we'll have to do to pay off that monster. Some perspective is in order.
"If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him." - Sun Tzu