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    Re: Would the rich miss 5%?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    What is it today with people trying to tell me what I think?

    Yes. I am.
    Tell me, with an extremely conservative (and exceedingly unrealistic) ROI of 1.5%, how much do you think that the average charge per toll per mile would be?

    Note this includes the design, land preparation, land acquisition costs, property taxes and a whole host of other costs including maintenance.

    Now redo the math with a far more realistic ROI of 5%.

    American shipping is totally ****ed under your proposition.
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    Re: Would the rich miss 5%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hypostrategos View Post
    It doesn't matter if they get indirect and direct benefits.
    Uh...yeah they do. Look another person who has never heard of Hobbes's Social Contract.

    They can benefit themselves thousands of times over with money that they control.
    Okay boy genius, tell me, can the average citizen benefit themselves a thousand times over in terms of defense benefits by self funding rather then taxation?

    Furthermore boy genius, can the average citizen benefit themselves a thousand times over in terms of safety via cops and firefighting by self funding rather then taxation?

    Next question boy genius, can the average citizen benefit themselves a thousand times over in terms of society progression in economic activity by self funding R&D rather how it is done now via the university systems?

    And i guess you're right that markets don't always lead to the best allocation of resources for society. Only free markets do that.
    Amusing. Tell me, how does a system that favors profit over all else lead to the best outcomes for society? Under your reasoning, private spending and funding on things like Chia and Rock pets benefits society more then spending on University educations, particularly in science and math fields.

    Excuse me while I fall down laughing at your argument's insane logic.

    And there is no such thing as a free market, well for any measurable amount of time as truly free markets are anarchy. And as human history shows, Anarchy always leads to Tyranny.

    And i don't know where this allocation thing comes in. Wealth is infinite. Resources are infinite. Everybody can become rich, if they think and act in a certain way. Which is a whole 'nother conversation.
    LOL. Another idealist.

    I'm still waiting for someone to argue how completely private toll highways would be more efficient in economic activity then what we have now.

    If you people actually believed that free markets always, without exception lead to better allocation of resources, you should be able to argue that.
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    Re: Would the rich miss 5%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Days View Post
    What do you think, would people earning over $250K a year miss 5%?
    Would you miss 5%?

    There's your answer.
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    Re: Would the rich miss 5%?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Would you miss 5%?

    There's your answer.
    Do you think he will honestly answer that question? It is idiotic to assume that no one would miss 5% of their pay check. Five percent of any 40 hour work week is 2 hours. Basically two hours of government service per 5% the government takes out your check.
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    Re: Would the rich miss 5%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hypostrategos View Post
    It doesn't matter if they get indirect and direct benefits. They can benefit themselves thousands of times over with money that they control. And i guess you're right that markets don't always lead to the best allocation of resources for society. Only free markets do that. And i don't know where this allocation thing comes in. Wealth is infinite. Resources are infinite. Everybody can become rich, if they think and act in a certain way. Which is a whole 'nother conversation.
    No way, only the smart can become rich, and usually at the expense of the rest of us. Most of the time, it works out for all of us, because we need some rich and well off to create the jobs.
    Wealth is not infinite, and neither are resources. Every extra dollar that gets printed makes the existing dollars worth less than before. Resources must be replaced as they are used, or eventually, we run out of them. Europeans came to the new world looking for wealth, and part of that wealth was WOOD, because they had pretty much depleted the forests of Europe.
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    Re: Would the rich miss 5%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Days View Post
    What do you think, would people earning over $250K a year miss 5%?
    I know I would.

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    Re: Would the rich miss 5%?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    No way, only the smart can become rich
    I disagree. I presente exhibit A:




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    Re: Would the rich miss 5%?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Sure, if you taxed someone and then provided absolutely nothing...
    Yup. That pretty much sums up welfare for "rich" people.

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    Re: Would the rich miss 5%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Days View Post
    So what is the alternative? At this point you are just letting the insurance companies get rich. Would you prefer to let people stay sick with no option to see a doctor?
    Insurance companies aren't getting rich. That's madeup baloney from Obama and crew.
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    Re: Would the rich miss 5%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    Insurance companies aren't getting rich. That's madeup baloney from Obama and crew.
    Not really. Insurance companies take profits and invest them in shell companies or securities which keeps those profits off their net income line making it look like they aren't making as much as they really are. Granted, many industries do this as well. If you restate their net incomes by removing a big chunk of those investments from their balance sheet, they are making a sizable chunk of change.

    My problem with insurance isn't its profits. It's that they make money by denying service that customers have legally paid for.
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