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Does China have the capabilities to co-govern the world with the USA?

Does China have the capabilities to co-govern the world with the USA?

  • Yes, China does;

    Votes: 13 30.2%

  • No, China doesn't;

    Votes: 30 69.8%
  • Total voters
    43
Bodhisattva said:
OK, I'll respond. :lol:

...who is just completely wrong? Maximus Zeebra's just completely wrong! :2wave:

I don't think that there is one person here that has ever said that America is perfect. Why do you persist in hating America and Americans and misrepresenting what we are actually saying in favor of what you want to hear? Do you think that I am stupid? Do you even think about what you say before you say it? You sound like my ex who would claim that I am this or that in order to justify her crazy ideas instead of understanding how I actually was or what I was saying. Sweetie, is that you? ;)

If you want to claim that China is analogous to America, that is fine. Ridiculous in the face of the facts, but fine. I present facts from world leading human rights organizations and you counter with, "yeah, but you guys are bad too!" Okay buddy... whatever floats your boat.
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Again, like before you start putting claim on what I said.. I said none of the things you claim I said.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
I know nothing, just like all of you know nothing.
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I think I see your ploy, you say unambiguous (mmm Love that word) things that way when someone calls you out on it you can technically say "That's not what I said"


Clever girl...
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
They maniupulate their currency and the US sells debt to China. China doesnt sell US debt to China..

:confused:
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Actually they do, because they have to buy it in dollars and then they convert it to renminbi. They in essence buy from us, subsidized through their government funding, and sell to their banks to convert the money amount. And in the process of the subsidization and currency exchange, influence the currency market.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
No, its called looking at reality in no nationalist American biased ways.
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Making fun of and stereotyping the whole of America is what you've just said here? Yeah right, and I'm the Pope.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Imagine China who is growing up in the 21st century with the same economic intensity per person as Japan.

:wow:

Japans economy is incredibly high tech, it "grew up" later than the US economy which is far more diverse and much less high tech. The Japanese nation is also half the population of the US, on a tiny patch of land on an Island. Incomparible with China, Europe and the US.
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Japan's economy HAS to be high tech, their people are pretty much their only natural resource...Large countries like USA, China, EU, etc. have lots of land to exploit...
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Again, like before you start putting claim on what I said.. I said none of the things you claim I said.
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Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
I just want to show America is not perfect like you all seem to believe while you point fingers at everyone else for doing the same bad things you do.

Originally Posted by Bodi
I don't think that there is one person here that has ever said that America is perfect.
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Wanna try that one again Maximus... this is just getting boring. Nobody can and should take you seriously until you can at least not contradict yourself from one post to the next. What is the point? *shrugs*
 
EpicDude86 said:
I think I see your ploy, you say unambiguous (mmm Love that word) things that way when someone calls you out on it you can technically say "That's not what I said"


Clever girl...
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Its the opposite actually. A lot of people here completely misunderstand what I am saying, because of their blind prejudice and the burning American flag below my nickname.
 
Ikari said:
Actually they do, because they have to buy it in dollars and then they convert it to renminbi. They in essence buy from us, subsidized through their government funding, and sell to their banks to convert the money amount. And in the process of the subsidization and currency exchange, influence the currency market.
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You dont have to sell it. They dont sell theirs to you.

They dont buy it from you sibsidized. YOU buy Chinese goods with American dollars, and they allow you.

Its ridiculous you blame China for US currency problems, and inflexibility now that its not the lone global currency anymore, with no ability to freely manipulate other markets and its own currency. You are just sad because that not possible anymore, and you blame China. Now that is just..

:screwy
 
Bodhisattva said:
Wanna try that one again Maximus... this is just getting boring. Nobody can and should take you seriously until you can at least not contradict yourself from one post to the next. What is the point? *shrugs*
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Conveniently left out the rest of the sentence there.. Hmm..
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Its the opposite actually. A lot of people here completely misunderstand what I am saying, because of their blind prejudice and the burning American flag below my nickname.
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Your obvious bias and hate filled rhetoric against the United States may have something to do with it as well.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
You dont have to sell it. They dont sell theirs to you.

They dont buy it from you sibsidized. YOU buy Chinese goods with American dollars, and they allow you.

Its ridiculous you blame China for US currency problems, and inflexibility now that its not the lone global currency anymore, with no ability to freely manipulate other markets and its own currency. You are just sad because that not possible anymore, and you blame China. Now that is just..

:screwy
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Again, you should educate yourself before you run your mouth and understand how the Chinese government purposefully influences the monetary system to their advantage. Again, I didn't say they couldn't. I said it's ok to have a floating tariff to account for it. They don't have to buy or sell to us. They're the ones who benefit more through our consumerism than we do through them buying our debt. We'll find others to buy our debt if need be.

I find it funny you only attack the US on this one, and when I say it's ok for the US to use it's own power to adjust you go all anti-American, insult Americans on the whole, and excuse the actions of China while condemning me for proposing something of proper dynamic not much different that what China is doing. Your bias is so blatantly obvious. It's kinda surprising you don't recognize your own irrational hatred.
 
Ikari said:
Again, you should educate yourself before you run your mouth and understand how the Chinese government purposefully influences the monetary system to their advantage. Again, I didn't say they couldn't. I said it's ok to have a floating tariff to account for it. They don't have to buy or sell to us. They're the ones who benefit more through our consumerism than we do through them buying our debt. We'll find others to buy our debt if need be.

I find it funny you only attack the US on this one, and when I say it's ok for the US to use it's own power to adjust you go all anti-American, insult Americans on the whole, and excuse the actions of China while condemning me for proposing something of proper dynamic not much different that what China is doing. Your bias is so blatantly obvious. It's kinda surprising you don't recognize your own irrational hatred.
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Nothing more to say to this than that its certain you live in the American information bubble far removed from reality.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Nothing more to say to this than that its certain you live in the American information bubble far removed from reality.
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More insults towards Americans. But no, I'm actually well read. I know what I'm talking about on this issue. It's you unfairly applying your bias to condemn America and me for stating that it's ok for us to use procedures similar to that of China (but the floating tariff is right out in the open, not hidden within exchange rates and subsidies), but totally excusing China for doing similar things. I can't say it's anything typically European since the Europeans I know are well smarter than you appear to be. But it's sad and pathetic none the less.
 
Ikari said:
More insults towards Americans. But no, I'm actually well read. I know what I'm talking about on this issue. It's you unfairly applying your bias to condemn America and me for stating that it's ok for us to use procedures similar to that of China (but the floating tariff is right out in the open, not hidden within exchange rates and subsidies), but totally excusing China for doing similar things. I can't say it's anything typically European since the Europeans I know are well smarter than you appear to be. But it's sad and pathetic none the less.
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I am not excusing China. I am just saying that your view that China manipulates your currency is just backward thinking.

The reality is that you sold them currency, and now you are pissed of because they have control of their own currency, and you do not after the Euro became an alternative to the once only global currency the dollar. The American dollar has since become so incredibly inflexible, and the American economy with it. No more are you able to maniupulate the economies of the world, and your gradual loss of economic power and power in all areas are making you blame others.

Blaming China for your currency problems is COMPLETELY ABSURD.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
I am not excusing China. I am just saying that your view that China manipulates your currency is just backward thinking.

The reality is that you sold them currency, and now you are pissed of because they have control of their own currency, and you do not after the Euro became an alternative to the once only global currency the dollar. The American dollar has since become so incredibly inflexible, and the American economy with it. No more are you able to maniupulate the economies of the world, and your gradual loss of economic power and power in all areas are making you blame others.

Blaming China for your currency problems is COMPLETELY ABSURD.
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You honestly have no idea what you're talking about. Not being rude or anything, but it's true. You can read about this anywhere. It isn't simply we're selling them some goods. We sell goods and they use their government control of their banks and industry to purposefully distort the exchange market. That's what it is. You're continued screaming against me isn't doing any good because YOU ARE WRONG. Go read a damned economic paper, for the love of Christ.
 
Ikari said:
You honestly have no idea what you're talking about. Not being rude or anything, but it's true. You can read about this anywhere. It isn't simply we're selling them some goods. We sell goods and they use their government control of their banks and industry to purposefully distort the exchange market. That's what it is. You're continued screaming against me isn't doing any good because YOU ARE WRONG. Go read a damned economic paper, for the love of Christ.
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I can read AMERICAN CLAIMS about that everywhere, yes. That doesnt mean it is so.

YOU SELL GOODS??????????? WHAT?? China sell you goods, more than you sell them, and then you cry when that causes them to build up dollar reserves?

Just because 99% of economists says the economy is getting better(following the bandwagon of others and political pressure), doesnt mean the 1% who actually know what they are talking about is wrong.

You are not only wrong. You think about things in a completely wrong way, you dont critically analyze what you read, end of discussion.

I have no more time for this ****, it pisses me off so much. I am done with politics an extremists like people on this forum. There is absolutely no point in trying to convinced extremists of anything.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
I can read AMERICAN CLAIMS about that everywhere, yes. That doesnt mean it is so.

YOU SELL GOODS??????????? WHAT?? China sell you goods, more than you sell them, and then you cry when that causes them to build up dollar reserves?

Just because 99% of economists says the economy is getting better(following the bandwagon of others and political pressure), doesnt mean the 1% who actually know what they are talking about is wrong.

You are not only wrong. You think about things in a completely wrong way, you dont critically analyze what you read, end of discussion.

I have no more time for this ****, it pisses me off so much. I am done with politics an extremists like people on this forum. There is absolutely no point in trying to convinced extremists of anything.
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It's not American claims, that's YOUR HATRED towards America coming out. Other countries have raised the same issue. China buys and exports, but they purposefully undervalue their currency which in essence cheapens imports for them while making exports more expensive. This hits all of us. There has been a lot of talk about this issue with China. Their purposeful manipulation of the market against import/export while subsidizing their purchases. This is real, it has a measurable effect, the effect has been measured. Your refusal to see it is either rooted in complete blinding BIAS or IGNORANCE. So take your pick on that one.

I have merely stated that it is within the proper power of the United States to institute a floating tariff which accounts for this purposeful manipulation. You seem to think that America can't protect its own currency or that we deserve what we get. And that's just you being ignorant. Talk about extremists...that's the group YOU'RE in.
 
Ikari said:
It's not American claims, that's YOUR HATRED towards America coming out. Other countries have raised the same issue. China buys and exports, but they purposefully undervalue their currency which in essence cheapens imports for them while making exports more expensive. This hits all of us. There has been a lot of talk about this issue with China. Their purposeful manipulation of the market against import/export while subsidizing their purchases. This is real, it has a measurable effect, the effect has been measured. Your refusal to see it is either rooted in complete blinding BIAS or IGNORANCE. So take your pick on that one.

I have merely stated that it is within the proper power of the United States to institute a floating tariff which accounts for this purposeful manipulation. You seem to think that America can't protect its own currency or that we deserve what we get. And that's just you being ignorant. Talk about extremists...that's the group YOU'RE in.
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But your signature says "ignorance is strength"
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Conveniently left out the rest of the sentence there.. Hmm..
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The rest of the sentence is IRRELEVANT.
The rest of the sentence does NOTHING TO CHANGE THE CONTEXT OF YOUR CONTRADICTION.

You have been caught in a flat out contradiction that perfectly displays why debating with you is a near futile effort.
It is not like this is an isolated sentence/miscommunication.
I have debated you for years now, and this is just par for the course...

:2wave:
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Its the opposite actually. A lot of people here completely misunderstand what I am saying, because of their blind prejudice and the burning American flag below my nickname.
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Nah, I think it's your bias. and your ego. If you could just turn the ego down a bit more, I think people would enjoy your posts a little more as well.
 
Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
Its the opposite actually. A lot of people here completely misunderstand what I am saying, because of their blind prejudice and the burning American flag below my nickname.
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I agree Epic, but along with the ego, the language must be toned down before anybody will begin to consider Maximus as anything but anti-American. It is the blind insults and refusal to listen to what Americans actually have to say. I am American and my ideas and insights into America are completely shut down and dismissedc by Maximus. It gets tedious and ultimately proves to be an absolute waste of time.

Maximus, you seem to have the blind prejudice my friend. Seriously... just think about it for a minute. You bash America. I don't bash anything, let alone europe.
 
Are you guys still debating this nonsense? We don't even govern the world, so wtf is the sense of this poll?
 
Vader said:
Until China's human rights issues are corrected they are not qualified to be a co-governor of anything.

China's involvement is offensive.

China supports the murderers in Iran; this is unacceptable. China cannot be allowed any consideration here. PERIOD.
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human rights? you got to be joking me. you;re from a country that killed 1 million iraqis, put 4 million as refugees. support a country like israel that is regularly torturing palestinians and you want to talk about human rights? im not even going to get into americas involvement in south america; the cia; guantanamo bay; abu ghraib; use of white phosphorous on civilians; and your use of the death penalty. so get a clue.
 
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