Two words will do: "imposing tarrifs"
Dont stick to my point or anything.:roll:
Are you are saying that the Chinese don't use tariffs as a form of protectionism?
They accept you with open arms but your price will be 5 to 10 times more and who is gonna buy your product.
Except that they purposefully use their state run banks to manipulate our currency which is in fact a backdoor tariff. They aren't welcoming us with open arms, the Communist party sees dollar signs and manipulates the system to keep it rolling it at the cost of the prosperity and wealth of their own people.
But you guys have $100s billions of investments there.
But you guys have $100s billions of investments there.
That does not negate anything I have said. They openly manipulate our currency through their State run banks. They want more of our money and want to make it more profitable to do so (of course none of this makes it to the actual people, but it's a Commie country so it's not surprising). But I say if they want to manipulate currency, fine; but we'd have a floating tariff that accounts for that.
That is irrelevant.
Why irrelevant? You talk abt china manupulating your currency and at the same time pour in billions of dollars of investment there.
Are you are saying that the Chinese don't use tariffs as a form of protectionism?
China has a horribly, repressive government. I don't think we need to play nice with them. They're commies. And in the end, they try to use their state run bank to affect our currency; and at that point it's not free trade.
Where do you get that stuff from? "horrible repressive government"? China is rather quite free, and the government is doing an amazing job in raising everyones propserity and freedom. Just because its not called capitalis democracy, doesnt make it worse.
In anticipation of the 2008 Summer Olympics, China faced international criticism regarding its human rights record. China has acknowledged "the need to keep advancing human rights,"[14] and resumed a human rights dialog with the United States.[15] A number of foreign protesters were deported from China during the Games.[16] Others were detained until the closing ceremony and then deported.[17][18] An unauthorized protest by seven activists protesting about China's involvement in Tibet at the Chinese Ethnic Culture Park, blocking its entrance, was cleared away by the authorities.[19]
The Chinese government had promised to issue permits allowing people to protest in so-called 'protest parks' during the Games,[20] but on 18 August it was reported that of 77 applications, 74 were withdrawn, two suspended and one vetoed.[21][22] Two elderly Chinese women were reported to have been sentenced to "re-education through labour" for having applied for a permit.[23] The Chinese authorities stated they had no record of the sentences.[23] Their sentence was suspended subject to proper behaviour, and to restrictions on movement.[24] Furthermore, many human rights lawyers and political dissidents were rounded up; the armies of migrant workers who built the Olympic stadiums have been encouraged to leave town, lest their dishevelled appearances detract from the image of a clean, modern nation.[25]
A Chinese lawyer explained, "For Chinese petitioners, if their protest applications were approved, it would lead to a chain reaction of others seeking to voice their problems as well" and an academic observed that: "When you have guests coming over for dinner, you clean up the house and tell the children not to argue."[25]
Critics also argue that the Chinese authorities failed to live up to their promises on press freedom. ITV News reporter John Ray was arrested while covering a pro-Tibet protest.[19][26] Foreign journalists also reported that their access to certain websites, including those of human rights organisations, was restricted.[27][28] International Olympic Committee president Jacques Rogge stated at the end of the Games that "The regulations might not be perfect but they are a sea-change compared to the situation before. We hope that they will continue".[29] The Foreign Correspondents Club of China (FCCC) issued a statement that "despite welcome progress in terms of accessibility and the number of press conferences within the Olympic facilities, the FCCC has been alarmed at the use of violence, intimidation and harassment outside. The club has confirmed more than 30 cases of reporting interference since the formal opening of the Olympic media centre on 25 July, and is checking at least 20 other reported incidents".[30]
They arent doing anything to your currency. You are selling them your currency. The only thing China does it set its exchange rate to the dollar.
There are mutliple types of currency systems. The US has what is known as a "dirty floating" system, in which central banks can (and do) intervene by purchasing or selling reserves to effect various economic variables, for example, terms of trade.
Every major economic power does this except...... China!
Which holds its other currency (they have two and that is really ****ty) at a proximity bound based on the US dollar. This way, they can create a constant propensity to export.
Hence, the currency does not openly float (dirty or not) on the market. I remember you stating a year ago that you were an expert on FOREX.
IMO, they are now, at least in the realm of material goods for us. But this does not seem to help the "man on the street", the average Chinaman.
And I have never been over there and know little of them. They are decent, honorable men, from what little I do know..We must study them, we do have a lot to learn, and they can help us, and us - them...Its the way humans should be..
This "superpower" business is just childish..:mrgreen:
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You guys had to defend you freedom with wars in foreign countries. China will spend its money wisely and won't be that power crazy and won't be dragged into wars.
Wikipedia.
Very credible. :roll:
China doesnt sell their reserves to the US, nor anyone. They could, but they dont.
Not Chinas fault the US is selling all that reserve and are over consuming.
Just because most people jumps of a cliff dont mean everyone have to.
Like the US does the same with imports.
What? Never said I was an expert on forex. I just said my opinion. And it being so much more correct than your at the time, must have made you think I am an expert.
Where do you get that stuff from? "horrible repressive government"? China is rather quite free, and the government is doing an amazing job in raising everyones propserity and freedom. Just because its not called capitalis democracy, doesnt make it worse.
They arent doing anything to your currency. You are selling them your currency. The only thing China does it set its exchange rate to the dollar.
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Where do you get that stuff from? "horrible repressive government"? China is rather quite free, and the government is doing an amazing job in raising everyones propserity and freedom. Just because its not called capitalis democracy, doesnt make it worse.
They arent doing anything to your currency. You are selling them your currency. The only thing China does it set its exchange rate to the dollar.
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I can understand your concern about personal attacks. What I don't understand is your tolerance of racism. My wife is Chinese. The blood of the Han flows through the veins of my sons.
I will not tolerate any reference to "Chinaman" in any forum in which I participate. DP's willingness to tolerate racism means there is no place for me here. Forget about the imposition of an infraction. Clean up your act. Farewell.
If you had simply stated your case like you just have here, instead of lowering yourself to the level of the racist, that would have been great. Work from a position of high moral values and intelligent discussion. Now, it is you that is being warned and you that are getting blamed instead of a person that might be racist.
Another thing, that person might simply be ignorant that the term might offend a person, to be honest. We have speakers of many languages and perhaps that is the best translation they could make, who knows?
Since you've called me out I'll respond to you. You are correct that I lowered myself to the level of the racist I challenged. This I regret.
However, there is a more important point that you and DP have missed. The racist used the phrase "the average Chinaman." While some forum members may have missed the racist innuendo of the phrase you can rest assured that the DP Mods are not ignorant of the racist connotation.
What did the Mods do about the expression of racism in question? They did nothing other than tolerate it. This is why there is no room for me here.
Now, don't respond to me or invoke my moniker, or I'll come back with a further critique.
Imagine China who is growing up in the 21st century with the same economic intensity per person as Japan.
:wow:
Japans economy is incredibly high tech, it "grew up" later than the US economy which is far more diverse and much less high tech. The Japanese nation is also half the population of the US, on a tiny patch of land on an Island. Incomparible with China, Europe and the US.