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Does China have the capabilities to co-govern the world with the USA?

Does China have the capabilities to co-govern the world with the USA?

  • Yes, China does;

    Votes: 13 30.2%
  • No, China doesn't;

    Votes: 30 69.8%

  • Total voters
    43
K, so you got nothing then. Noted.
 
Two words will do: "imposing tarrifs"

Are you are saying that the Chinese don't use tariffs as a form of protectionism?
 
Dont stick to my point or anything.:roll:

In order to do so I must know what you mean by alleged. The sentence that you used it in is contradictory. You say that you don't deny it and yet you call it "alleged". So either you don't know the meaning of the word "alleged" or you don't believe that they do treat their people like crap...which means that you do deny it. So....????

In fact that whole sentence is also contradictory to your opening sentence. If you didn't know what I meant then why put that statement in?

I must know what you mean or to make your statements non-contradictory in order to address this...

"As china gets richer it can afford to treat them well. As classes gain upward mobility they also gain rights."

Otherwise I'm just "assuming" about what you mean. And you know what they say about what happens when you "assume" something right?
 
Are you are saying that the Chinese don't use tariffs as a form of protectionism?

They accept you with open arms but your price will be 5 to 10 times more and who is gonna buy your product.
 
They accept you with open arms but your price will be 5 to 10 times more and who is gonna buy your product.

Except that they purposefully use their state run banks to manipulate our currency which is in fact a backdoor tariff. They aren't welcoming us with open arms, the Communist party sees dollar signs and manipulates the system to keep it rolling it at the cost of the prosperity and wealth of their own people.
 
Except that they purposefully use their state run banks to manipulate our currency which is in fact a backdoor tariff. They aren't welcoming us with open arms, the Communist party sees dollar signs and manipulates the system to keep it rolling it at the cost of the prosperity and wealth of their own people.

But you guys have $100s billions of investments there.
 
But you guys have $100s billions of investments there.

That does not negate anything I have said. They openly manipulate our currency through their State run banks. They want more of our money and want to make it more profitable to do so (of course none of this makes it to the actual people, but it's a Commie country so it's not surprising). But I say if they want to manipulate currency, fine; but we'd have a floating tariff that accounts for that.
 
That does not negate anything I have said. They openly manipulate our currency through their State run banks. They want more of our money and want to make it more profitable to do so (of course none of this makes it to the actual people, but it's a Commie country so it's not surprising). But I say if they want to manipulate currency, fine; but we'd have a floating tariff that accounts for that.

That is irrelevant.

Why irrelevant? You talk abt china manupulating your currency and at the same time pour in billions of dollars of investment there.
 
Why irrelevant? You talk abt china manupulating your currency and at the same time pour in billions of dollars of investment there.

They wanted to buy our debt, we wouldn't stop them from doing so. They want to try to become big time, well big time comes with responsibilities and consequences. And they'll have to do right by their people and start agreeing to the laws the rest of the 1st world has to obey. China has a horribly, repressive government. I don't think we need to play nice with them. They're commies. And in the end, they try to use their state run bank to affect our currency; and at that point it's not free trade. I don't see why you argue for the double standard. All I said was that as long as they were manipulating currency, we have a floating tariff which accounts for that. That's it.
 
China has a horribly, repressive government. I don't think we need to play nice with them. They're commies. And in the end, they try to use their state run bank to affect our currency; and at that point it's not free trade.

Where do you get that stuff from? "horrible repressive government"? China is rather quite free, and the government is doing an amazing job in raising everyones propserity and freedom. Just because its not called capitalis democracy, doesnt make it worse.

They arent doing anything to your currency. You are selling them your currency. The only thing China does it set its exchange rate to the dollar.
 
Where do you get that stuff from? "horrible repressive government"? China is rather quite free, and the government is doing an amazing job in raising everyones propserity and freedom. Just because its not called capitalis democracy, doesnt make it worse.

WTF are you smoking/drinking? While their move to a more market orientated system has improved the standard of living for over 1 billion people, that does not negate the massive amounts of human rights abuse that goes on every day in China.

Here, ill help you wiki:roll:
In anticipation of the 2008 Summer Olympics, China faced international criticism regarding its human rights record. China has acknowledged "the need to keep advancing human rights,"[14] and resumed a human rights dialog with the United States.[15] A number of foreign protesters were deported from China during the Games.[16] Others were detained until the closing ceremony and then deported.[17][18] An unauthorized protest by seven activists protesting about China's involvement in Tibet at the Chinese Ethnic Culture Park, blocking its entrance, was cleared away by the authorities.[19]

The Chinese government had promised to issue permits allowing people to protest in so-called 'protest parks' during the Games,[20] but on 18 August it was reported that of 77 applications, 74 were withdrawn, two suspended and one vetoed.[21][22] Two elderly Chinese women were reported to have been sentenced to "re-education through labour" for having applied for a permit.[23] The Chinese authorities stated they had no record of the sentences.[23] Their sentence was suspended subject to proper behaviour, and to restrictions on movement.[24] Furthermore, many human rights lawyers and political dissidents were rounded up; the armies of migrant workers who built the Olympic stadiums have been encouraged to leave town, lest their dishevelled appearances detract from the image of a clean, modern nation.[25]

A Chinese lawyer explained, "For Chinese petitioners, if their protest applications were approved, it would lead to a chain reaction of others seeking to voice their problems as well" and an academic observed that: "When you have guests coming over for dinner, you clean up the house and tell the children not to argue."[25]

Critics also argue that the Chinese authorities failed to live up to their promises on press freedom. ITV News reporter John Ray was arrested while covering a pro-Tibet protest.[19][26] Foreign journalists also reported that their access to certain websites, including those of human rights organisations, was restricted.[27][28] International Olympic Committee president Jacques Rogge stated at the end of the Games that "The regulations might not be perfect but they are a sea-change compared to the situation before. We hope that they will continue".[29] The Foreign Correspondents Club of China (FCCC) issued a statement that "despite welcome progress in terms of accessibility and the number of press conferences within the Olympic facilities, the FCCC has been alarmed at the use of violence, intimidation and harassment outside. The club has confirmed more than 30 cases of reporting interference since the formal opening of the Olympic media centre on 25 July, and is checking at least 20 other reported incidents".[30]

human rights in china wiki

They arent doing anything to your currency. You are selling them your currency. The only thing China does it set its exchange rate to the dollar.

There are mutliple types of currency systems. The US has what is known as a "dirty floating" system, in which central banks can (and do) intervene by purchasing or selling reserves to effect various economic variables, for example, terms of trade.

Every major economic power does this except...... China!

Which holds its other currency (they have two and that is really ****ty) at a proximity bound based on the US dollar. This way, they can create a constant propensity to export.

Hence, the currency does not openly float (dirty or not) on the market. I remember you stating a year ago that you were an expert on FOREX.
 

Wikipedia.
Very credible. :roll:


There are mutliple types of currency systems. The US has what is known as a "dirty floating" system, in which central banks can (and do) intervene by purchasing or selling reserves to effect various economic variables, for example, terms of trade.

China doesnt sell their reserves to the US, nor anyone. They could, but they dont.

Not Chinas fault the US is selling all that reserve and are over consuming.

Every major economic power does this except...... China!

Just because most people jumps of a cliff dont mean everyone have to.

Which holds its other currency (they have two and that is really ****ty) at a proximity bound based on the US dollar. This way, they can create a constant propensity to export.

Like the US does the same with imports.


Hence, the currency does not openly float (dirty or not) on the market. I remember you stating a year ago that you were an expert on FOREX.

What? Never said I was an expert on forex. I just said my opinion. And it being so much more correct than your at the time, must have made you think I am an expert.
 
IMO, they are now, at least in the realm of material goods for us. But this does not seem to help the "man on the street", the average Chinaman.
And I have never been over there and know little of them. They are decent, honorable men, from what little I do know..We must study them, we do have a lot to learn, and they can help us, and us - them...Its the way humans should be..
This "superpower" business is just childish..:mrgreen:
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Are you stupid? "Average Chinaman?" They are called Chinese you stupid little man.
 
You guys had to defend you freedom with wars in foreign countries. China will spend its money wisely and won't be that power crazy and won't be dragged into wars.

What about China's claims to virtually the entire South China Sea?
 
Wikipedia.
Very credible. :roll:

Did you bother to check the sources? I guess BBC is not a credible source:2wave:

China doesnt sell their reserves to the US, nor anyone. They could, but they dont.

Not Chinas fault the US is selling all that reserve and are over consuming.

There is no need, as they employ a positive current account balance, and a massively negative financial account balance. Current account + financial account = ???? Maximus :rofl JK

Your opinion of over consuming is unnecessary. They require the US to have a negative trade balance in order to fuel their export machine. The US stops consuming and China goes to ****.

Just because most people jumps of a cliff dont mean everyone have to.

What is the meaning of this comment? I suppose a clean floating system would be more "fair", however this would require all nations to implement completely privatized central banking institutions. All or nothing, otherwise those who "mingle" will have a serious advantage over those who do not.

Like the US does the same with imports.

Dead wrong once again, and not a surprise. We can clearly see the impact of the US dirty floating. The value of the dollar is decreasing, forcing China to further devalue their Yuan relative to non dollar pairs (putting tremendous downward pressure on the Renminbi). This drastically reduces China's marginal propensity to import, which drastically reduces their peoples standard of living.

What? Never said I was an expert on forex. I just said my opinion. And it being so much more correct than your at the time, must have made you think I am an expert.

Oh Max.... I would never think of you as an expert of FOREX. Maybe an expert in hating the US, but of anything that revolves around finance, economics, politics, etc... no you are not an expert. Your posts are a testament :lol:
 
Where do you get that stuff from? "horrible repressive government"? China is rather quite free, and the government is doing an amazing job in raising everyones propserity and freedom. Just because its not called capitalis democracy, doesnt make it worse.

They arent doing anything to your currency. You are selling them your currency. The only thing China does it set its exchange rate to the dollar.

First off, the censorship and oppression of the people of China is staggering. Saying it's quite free shows you know nothing of the issue. Or that you have no idea what "free" means.

Secondly, they use their state banks and subsidies to affect our currency and the valuation of theirs. They do it on purpose, fine but I have no problem then with a floating tariff to offset their monkeying.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Stop the personal attacks.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Stop the personal attacks.

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I can understand your concern about personal attacks. What I don't understand is your tolerance of racism. My wife is Chinese. The blood of the Han flows through the veins of my sons.

I will not tolerate any reference to "Chinaman" in any forum in which I participate. DP's willingness to tolerate racism means there is no place for me here. Forget about the imposition of an infraction. Clean up your act. Farewell.
 
Where do you get that stuff from? "horrible repressive government"? China is rather quite free, and the government is doing an amazing job in raising everyones propserity and freedom. Just because its not called capitalis democracy, doesnt make it worse.

They arent doing anything to your currency. You are selling them your currency. The only thing China does it set its exchange rate to the dollar.

  1. [The abductors] are inhuman. Their car drove up to that place [where I was] and two people dragged me by the hair and put me into the car. My two hands were tied up and I couldn't move. Then [after arriving back in Jiangsu] they put me inside a room where there were two women who stripped me of my clothes... [and] beat my head [and] used their feet to stomp my body

    The guard fled after the rape, witnesses said. About 50 detainees, including the student, broke through the wooden door and ran away Tuesday morning (August 4, 2009), taking two bloody sheets with them as evidence of the assault. About 10 (of the detainees) went to the local police station to report the rape, but say they were ignored.

    I asked why they were detaining me, and as a group [the guards] came in and punched and kicked me and said they wanted to kill me. I loudly cried for help and they stopped, but from then on, I didn't dare [risk another beating
    ].

"An Alleyway in Hell" | Human Rights Watch

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Amnesty International has documented widespread human rights violations in China. An estimated 500,000 people are currently enduring punitive detention without charge or trial, and millions are unable to access the legal system to seek redress for their grievances. Harassment, surveillance, house arrest, and imprisonment of human rights defenders are on the rise, and censorship of the Internet and other media has grown. Repression of minority groups, including Tibetans, Uighurs and Mongolians, and of Falun Gong practitioners and Christians who practice their religion outside state-sanctioned churches continues. While the recent reinstatement of Supreme People's Court review of death penalty cases may result in lower numbers of executions, China remains the leading executioner in the world.

China Human Rights

Human rights in China 2008

Falun Gong Human Rights Working Group

Falun Gong Human Rights Working Group

Wake up Maximus. :roll:

Provide evidence or leave this debate. China is on the list of every major Human Rights Violations Group in the world.
 
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I can understand your concern about personal attacks. What I don't understand is your tolerance of racism. My wife is Chinese. The blood of the Han flows through the veins of my sons.

I will not tolerate any reference to "Chinaman" in any forum in which I participate. DP's willingness to tolerate racism means there is no place for me here. Forget about the imposition of an infraction. Clean up your act. Farewell.

If you had simply stated your case like you just have here, instead of lowering yourself to the level of the racist, that would have been great. Work from a position of high moral values and intelligent discussion. Now, it is you that is being warned and you that are getting blamed instead of a person that might be racist.

Another thing, that person might simply be ignorant that the term might offend a person, to be honest. We have speakers of many languages and perhaps that is the best translation they could make, who knows?
 
If you had simply stated your case like you just have here, instead of lowering yourself to the level of the racist, that would have been great. Work from a position of high moral values and intelligent discussion. Now, it is you that is being warned and you that are getting blamed instead of a person that might be racist.

Another thing, that person might simply be ignorant that the term might offend a person, to be honest. We have speakers of many languages and perhaps that is the best translation they could make, who knows?

Since you've called me out I'll respond to you. You are correct that I lowered myself to the level of the racist I challenged. This I regret.

However, there is a more important point that you and DP have missed. The racist used the phrase "the average Chinaman." While some forum members may have missed the racist innuendo of the phrase you can rest assured that the DP Mods are not ignorant of the racist connotation.

What did the Mods do about the expression of racism in question? They did nothing other than tolerate it. This is why there is no room for me here.

Now, don't respond to me or invoke my moniker, or I'll come back with a further critique.
 
Since you've called me out I'll respond to you. You are correct that I lowered myself to the level of the racist I challenged. This I regret.

However, there is a more important point that you and DP have missed. The racist used the phrase "the average Chinaman." While some forum members may have missed the racist innuendo of the phrase you can rest assured that the DP Mods are not ignorant of the racist connotation.

What did the Mods do about the expression of racism in question? They did nothing other than tolerate it. This is why there is no room for me here.

Now, don't respond to me or invoke my moniker, or I'll come back with a further critique.

Invoke? What are you...some sort of God? :lol:

Critique of me or the issue that you feel is evident? What should the person have said, Chinese Person? Chinese Man?

Chinaman  /ˈtʃaɪnəmən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [chahy-nuh-muhn] Show IPA
Use Chinaman in a Sentence
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–noun, plural -men. 1. Usually Offensive. a Chinese or a person of Chinese descent.
2. (lowercase) a person who imports or sells china.
3. (often lowercase) Political Slang. a person regarded as one's benefactor, sponsor, or protector: to see one's chinaman about a favor.


It is "usually" offensive. Not always, but Usually... Chinaman is not Nigger or Slope or Chink or Spick or Spook or Coon or Cracker or anywere near what most people would consider racist. I am not defending the term, just your rage over it might be a tad bit misplaced. Just think about it...
 
Imagine China who is growing up in the 21st century with the same economic intensity per person as Japan.

:wow:

Japans economy is incredibly high tech, it "grew up" later than the US economy which is far more diverse and much less high tech. The Japanese nation is also half the population of the US, on a tiny patch of land on an Island. Incomparible with China, Europe and the US.

Things blew up there due to the stupid government actions. China's government is very capable of blowing the whole things up
 
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