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    Re: Does China have the capabilities to co-govern the world with the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Except that they purposefully use their state run banks to manipulate our currency which is in fact a backdoor tariff. They aren't welcoming us with open arms, the Communist party sees dollar signs and manipulates the system to keep it rolling it at the cost of the prosperity and wealth of their own people.
    But you guys have $100s billions of investments there.

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    Re: Does China have the capabilities to co-govern the world with the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    But you guys have $100s billions of investments there.
    That does not negate anything I have said. They openly manipulate our currency through their State run banks. They want more of our money and want to make it more profitable to do so (of course none of this makes it to the actual people, but it's a Commie country so it's not surprising). But I say if they want to manipulate currency, fine; but we'd have a floating tariff that accounts for that.
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    Re: Does China have the capabilities to co-govern the world with the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    But you guys have $100s billions of investments there.
    That is irrelevant.
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    Re: Does China have the capabilities to co-govern the world with the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That does not negate anything I have said. They openly manipulate our currency through their State run banks. They want more of our money and want to make it more profitable to do so (of course none of this makes it to the actual people, but it's a Commie country so it's not surprising). But I say if they want to manipulate currency, fine; but we'd have a floating tariff that accounts for that.
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    That is irrelevant.
    Why irrelevant? You talk abt china manupulating your currency and at the same time pour in billions of dollars of investment there.

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    Re: Does China have the capabilities to co-govern the world with the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Why irrelevant? You talk abt china manupulating your currency and at the same time pour in billions of dollars of investment there.
    They wanted to buy our debt, we wouldn't stop them from doing so. They want to try to become big time, well big time comes with responsibilities and consequences. And they'll have to do right by their people and start agreeing to the laws the rest of the 1st world has to obey. China has a horribly, repressive government. I don't think we need to play nice with them. They're commies. And in the end, they try to use their state run bank to affect our currency; and at that point it's not free trade. I don't see why you argue for the double standard. All I said was that as long as they were manipulating currency, we have a floating tariff which accounts for that. That's it.
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    Re: Does China have the capabilities to co-govern the world with the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Are you are saying that the Chinese don't use tariffs as a form of protectionism?
    No, they just block the products alltogether as it pleases them.
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    Re: Does China have the capabilities to co-govern the world with the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    China has a horribly, repressive government. I don't think we need to play nice with them. They're commies. And in the end, they try to use their state run bank to affect our currency; and at that point it's not free trade.
    Where do you get that stuff from? "horrible repressive government"? China is rather quite free, and the government is doing an amazing job in raising everyones propserity and freedom. Just because its not called capitalis democracy, doesnt make it worse.

    They arent doing anything to your currency. You are selling them your currency. The only thing China does it set its exchange rate to the dollar.
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    Re: Does China have the capabilities to co-govern the world with the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Where do you get that stuff from? "horrible repressive government"? China is rather quite free, and the government is doing an amazing job in raising everyones propserity and freedom. Just because its not called capitalis democracy, doesnt make it worse.
    WTF are you smoking/drinking? While their move to a more market orientated system has improved the standard of living for over 1 billion people, that does not negate the massive amounts of human rights abuse that goes on every day in China.

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    In anticipation of the 2008 Summer Olympics, China faced international criticism regarding its human rights record. China has acknowledged "the need to keep advancing human rights,"[14] and resumed a human rights dialog with the United States.[15] A number of foreign protesters were deported from China during the Games.[16] Others were detained until the closing ceremony and then deported.[17][18] An unauthorized protest by seven activists protesting about China's involvement in Tibet at the Chinese Ethnic Culture Park, blocking its entrance, was cleared away by the authorities.[19]

    The Chinese government had promised to issue permits allowing people to protest in so-called 'protest parks' during the Games,[20] but on 18 August it was reported that of 77 applications, 74 were withdrawn, two suspended and one vetoed.[21][22] Two elderly Chinese women were reported to have been sentenced to "re-education through labour" for having applied for a permit.[23] The Chinese authorities stated they had no record of the sentences.[23] Their sentence was suspended subject to proper behaviour, and to restrictions on movement.[24] Furthermore, many human rights lawyers and political dissidents were rounded up; the armies of migrant workers who built the Olympic stadiums have been encouraged to leave town, lest their dishevelled appearances detract from the image of a clean, modern nation.[25]

    A Chinese lawyer explained, "For Chinese petitioners, if their protest applications were approved, it would lead to a chain reaction of others seeking to voice their problems as well" and an academic observed that: "When you have guests coming over for dinner, you clean up the house and tell the children not to argue."[25]

    Critics also argue that the Chinese authorities failed to live up to their promises on press freedom. ITV News reporter John Ray was arrested while covering a pro-Tibet protest.[19][26] Foreign journalists also reported that their access to certain websites, including those of human rights organisations, was restricted.[27][28] International Olympic Committee president Jacques Rogge stated at the end of the Games that "The regulations might not be perfect but they are a sea-change compared to the situation before. We hope that they will continue".[29] The Foreign Correspondents Club of China (FCCC) issued a statement that "despite welcome progress in terms of accessibility and the number of press conferences within the Olympic facilities, the FCCC has been alarmed at the use of violence, intimidation and harassment outside. The club has confirmed more than 30 cases of reporting interference since the formal opening of the Olympic media centre on 25 July, and is checking at least 20 other reported incidents".[30]
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    They arent doing anything to your currency. You are selling them your currency. The only thing China does it set its exchange rate to the dollar.
    There are mutliple types of currency systems. The US has what is known as a "dirty floating" system, in which central banks can (and do) intervene by purchasing or selling reserves to effect various economic variables, for example, terms of trade.

    Every major economic power does this except...... China!

    Which holds its other currency (they have two and that is really ****ty) at a proximity bound based on the US dollar. This way, they can create a constant propensity to export.

    Hence, the currency does not openly float (dirty or not) on the market. I remember you stating a year ago that you were an expert on FOREX.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Does China have the capabilities to co-govern the world with the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Wikipedia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    There are mutliple types of currency systems. The US has what is known as a "dirty floating" system, in which central banks can (and do) intervene by purchasing or selling reserves to effect various economic variables, for example, terms of trade.
    China doesnt sell their reserves to the US, nor anyone. They could, but they dont.

    Not Chinas fault the US is selling all that reserve and are over consuming.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Every major economic power does this except...... China!
    Just because most people jumps of a cliff dont mean everyone have to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Which holds its other currency (they have two and that is really ****ty) at a proximity bound based on the US dollar. This way, they can create a constant propensity to export.
    Like the US does the same with imports.


    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Hence, the currency does not openly float (dirty or not) on the market. I remember you stating a year ago that you were an expert on FOREX.
    What? Never said I was an expert on forex. I just said my opinion. And it being so much more correct than your at the time, must have made you think I am an expert.
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    Re: Does China have the capabilities to co-govern the world with the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    IMO, they are now, at least in the realm of material goods for us. But this does not seem to help the "man on the street", the average Chinaman.
    And I have never been over there and know little of them. They are decent, honorable men, from what little I do know..We must study them, we do have a lot to learn, and they can help us, and us - them...Its the way humans should be..
    This "superpower" business is just childish..
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    Are you stupid? "Average Chinaman?" They are called Chinese you stupid little man.

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