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    Re: Does China have the capabilities to co-govern the world with the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    You dont have to sell it. They dont sell theirs to you.

    They dont buy it from you sibsidized. YOU buy Chinese goods with American dollars, and they allow you.

    Its ridiculous you blame China for US currency problems, and inflexibility now that its not the lone global currency anymore, with no ability to freely manipulate other markets and its own currency. You are just sad because that not possible anymore, and you blame China. Now that is just..

    Again, you should educate yourself before you run your mouth and understand how the Chinese government purposefully influences the monetary system to their advantage. Again, I didn't say they couldn't. I said it's ok to have a floating tariff to account for it. They don't have to buy or sell to us. They're the ones who benefit more through our consumerism than we do through them buying our debt. We'll find others to buy our debt if need be.

    I find it funny you only attack the US on this one, and when I say it's ok for the US to use it's own power to adjust you go all anti-American, insult Americans on the whole, and excuse the actions of China while condemning me for proposing something of proper dynamic not much different that what China is doing. Your bias is so blatantly obvious. It's kinda surprising you don't recognize your own irrational hatred.
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    Re: Does China have the capabilities to co-govern the world with the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Again, you should educate yourself before you run your mouth and understand how the Chinese government purposefully influences the monetary system to their advantage. Again, I didn't say they couldn't. I said it's ok to have a floating tariff to account for it. They don't have to buy or sell to us. They're the ones who benefit more through our consumerism than we do through them buying our debt. We'll find others to buy our debt if need be.

    I find it funny you only attack the US on this one, and when I say it's ok for the US to use it's own power to adjust you go all anti-American, insult Americans on the whole, and excuse the actions of China while condemning me for proposing something of proper dynamic not much different that what China is doing. Your bias is so blatantly obvious. It's kinda surprising you don't recognize your own irrational hatred.
    Nothing more to say to this than that its certain you live in the American information bubble far removed from reality.
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    Re: Does China have the capabilities to co-govern the world with the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Nothing more to say to this than that its certain you live in the American information bubble far removed from reality.
    More insults towards Americans. But no, I'm actually well read. I know what I'm talking about on this issue. It's you unfairly applying your bias to condemn America and me for stating that it's ok for us to use procedures similar to that of China (but the floating tariff is right out in the open, not hidden within exchange rates and subsidies), but totally excusing China for doing similar things. I can't say it's anything typically European since the Europeans I know are well smarter than you appear to be. But it's sad and pathetic none the less.
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    Re: Does China have the capabilities to co-govern the world with the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    More insults towards Americans. But no, I'm actually well read. I know what I'm talking about on this issue. It's you unfairly applying your bias to condemn America and me for stating that it's ok for us to use procedures similar to that of China (but the floating tariff is right out in the open, not hidden within exchange rates and subsidies), but totally excusing China for doing similar things. I can't say it's anything typically European since the Europeans I know are well smarter than you appear to be. But it's sad and pathetic none the less.
    I am not excusing China. I am just saying that your view that China manipulates your currency is just backward thinking.

    The reality is that you sold them currency, and now you are pissed of because they have control of their own currency, and you do not after the Euro became an alternative to the once only global currency the dollar. The American dollar has since become so incredibly inflexible, and the American economy with it. No more are you able to maniupulate the economies of the world, and your gradual loss of economic power and power in all areas are making you blame others.

    Blaming China for your currency problems is COMPLETELY ABSURD.
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    Re: Does China have the capabilities to co-govern the world with the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I am not excusing China. I am just saying that your view that China manipulates your currency is just backward thinking.

    The reality is that you sold them currency, and now you are pissed of because they have control of their own currency, and you do not after the Euro became an alternative to the once only global currency the dollar. The American dollar has since become so incredibly inflexible, and the American economy with it. No more are you able to maniupulate the economies of the world, and your gradual loss of economic power and power in all areas are making you blame others.

    Blaming China for your currency problems is COMPLETELY ABSURD.
    You honestly have no idea what you're talking about. Not being rude or anything, but it's true. You can read about this anywhere. It isn't simply we're selling them some goods. We sell goods and they use their government control of their banks and industry to purposefully distort the exchange market. That's what it is. You're continued screaming against me isn't doing any good because YOU ARE WRONG. Go read a damned economic paper, for the love of Christ.
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    Re: Does China have the capabilities to co-govern the world with the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You honestly have no idea what you're talking about. Not being rude or anything, but it's true. You can read about this anywhere. It isn't simply we're selling them some goods. We sell goods and they use their government control of their banks and industry to purposefully distort the exchange market. That's what it is. You're continued screaming against me isn't doing any good because YOU ARE WRONG. Go read a damned economic paper, for the love of Christ.
    I can read AMERICAN CLAIMS about that everywhere, yes. That doesnt mean it is so.

    YOU SELL GOODS??????????? WHAT?? China sell you goods, more than you sell them, and then you cry when that causes them to build up dollar reserves?

    Just because 99% of economists says the economy is getting better(following the bandwagon of others and political pressure), doesnt mean the 1% who actually know what they are talking about is wrong.

    You are not only wrong. You think about things in a completely wrong way, you dont critically analyze what you read, end of discussion.

    I have no more time for this ****, it pisses me off so much. I am done with politics an extremists like people on this forum. There is absolutely no point in trying to convinced extremists of anything.
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    Re: Does China have the capabilities to co-govern the world with the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I can read AMERICAN CLAIMS about that everywhere, yes. That doesnt mean it is so.

    YOU SELL GOODS??????????? WHAT?? China sell you goods, more than you sell them, and then you cry when that causes them to build up dollar reserves?

    Just because 99% of economists says the economy is getting better(following the bandwagon of others and political pressure), doesnt mean the 1% who actually know what they are talking about is wrong.

    You are not only wrong. You think about things in a completely wrong way, you dont critically analyze what you read, end of discussion.

    I have no more time for this ****, it pisses me off so much. I am done with politics an extremists like people on this forum. There is absolutely no point in trying to convinced extremists of anything.
    It's not American claims, that's YOUR HATRED towards America coming out. Other countries have raised the same issue. China buys and exports, but they purposefully undervalue their currency which in essence cheapens imports for them while making exports more expensive. This hits all of us. There has been a lot of talk about this issue with China. Their purposeful manipulation of the market against import/export while subsidizing their purchases. This is real, it has a measurable effect, the effect has been measured. Your refusal to see it is either rooted in complete blinding BIAS or IGNORANCE. So take your pick on that one.

    I have merely stated that it is within the proper power of the United States to institute a floating tariff which accounts for this purposeful manipulation. You seem to think that America can't protect its own currency or that we deserve what we get. And that's just you being ignorant. Talk about extremists...that's the group YOU'RE in.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Does China have the capabilities to co-govern the world with the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's not American claims, that's YOUR HATRED towards America coming out. Other countries have raised the same issue. China buys and exports, but they purposefully undervalue their currency which in essence cheapens imports for them while making exports more expensive. This hits all of us. There has been a lot of talk about this issue with China. Their purposeful manipulation of the market against import/export while subsidizing their purchases. This is real, it has a measurable effect, the effect has been measured. Your refusal to see it is either rooted in complete blinding BIAS or IGNORANCE. So take your pick on that one.

    I have merely stated that it is within the proper power of the United States to institute a floating tariff which accounts for this purposeful manipulation. You seem to think that America can't protect its own currency or that we deserve what we get. And that's just you being ignorant. Talk about extremists...that's the group YOU'RE in.
    But your signature says "ignorance is strength"

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    Re: Does China have the capabilities to co-govern the world with the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    But your signature says "ignorance is strength"
    lol, it's from a book.

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    Re: Does China have the capabilities to co-govern the world with the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    But your signature says "ignorance is strength"
    You win this time Batman!
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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