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Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

Did the US adapt the methods, foreign policy and state power of NAZI Germany.

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LaMidRighter said:
I'm looking at it objectively, and using historical similarities, it has nothing to do with an argument.
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No you're not. You're looking at it from a purely right wing partisan view point in an attempt to compare this administration to the Nazi's while completely and utterly refusing to examine the situation pre-Obama administration and the similarities one might find there.

You're not being objective, you're trying to do a hyper partisan hatchet job.
 
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reefedjib said:
So post the definition from your encyclopedia and comment on fascism, already. I'm not going to do all your leg work.
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Fascism

encyclopedia Britannica said:
Philosophy of government that stresses the primacy and glory of the state, unquestioning obedience to its leader, subordination of the individual will to the state’s authority, and harsh suppression of dissent.

Martial virtues are celebrated, while liberal and democratic values are disparaged. Fascism arose during the 1920s and ’30s partly out of fear of the rising power of the working classes; it differed from contemporary communism (as practiced under Joseph Stalin) by its protection of business and landowning elites and its preservation of class systems. The leaders of the fascist governments of Italy (1922–43), Germany (1933–45), and Spain (1939–75)—Benito Mussolini, Adolf Hitler, and Francisco Franco—were portrayed to their publics as embodiments of the strength and resolve necessary to rescue their nations from political and economic chaos. Japanese fascists (1936–45) fostered belief in the uniqueness of the Japanese spirit and taught subordination to the state and personal sacrifice. See also totalitarianism; neofascism.
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Fascism is what the Republicans does. Although its not completely implemented yet.
 
Vader said:
Says who? You?

You offer nothing but baseless supposition and propaganda.
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This wasnt propaganda. It was just a question about you never questioning anything, and always opting for the most noble idea of the US, even in cases where you have no actual idea of reality.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Fascism

Philosophy of government that stresses the primacy and glory of the state, unquestioning obedience to its leader, subordination of the individual will to the state’s authority, and harsh suppression of dissent.

Martial virtues are celebrated, while liberal and democratic values are disparaged. Fascism arose during the 1920s and ’30s partly out of fear of the rising power of the working classes; it differed from contemporary communism (as practiced under Joseph Stalin) by its protection of business and landowning elites and its preservation of class systems. The leaders of the fascist governments of Italy (1922–43), Germany (1933–45), and Spain (1939–75)—Benito Mussolini, Adolf Hitler, and Francisco Franco—were portrayed to their publics as embodiments of the strength and resolve necessary to rescue their nations from political and economic chaos. Japanese fascists (1936–45) fostered belief in the uniqueness of the Japanese spirit and taught subordination to the state and personal sacrifice. See also totalitarianism; neofascism.
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Fascism is what the Republicans does. Although its not completely implemented yet.
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Oh so it isn't completely implemented yet. Well, which parts are implemented so far?
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
All except Harsh suppression of dissent. Its not that widespread nor harsh yet, but it will be.
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So you think that Republican control of the government means we have:

  • primacy and glory of the state
  • unquestioning obedience to its leader
  • subordination of the individual will to the state’s authority

We most certainly do not have these. You are full of ****. You are on my ignore list.
 
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Maximus Zeebra said:
Aside from the one in gitmo and those in Iraq, do you really have any concept of how many hidden prisons and camps the US has? Are you in control of everything your government and military is doing?

Nor was the Germans, they knew nothing about no concentration camps, just a few "need to know" basis had any idea of what was going on, not even the purpetraitors always knew what was really going on..

You have torture camps and illegal prisons in Iraq and Afganistan CERTAIN.
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Then please post evidence of these "camps." So you want us to assume based on what? The happenings in Nazi Germany? :lol:

Your argument is so stupid I don't even know why I bothered.
 
Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
Aside from the one in gitmo and those in Iraq, do you really have any concept of how many hidden prisons and camps the US has? Are you in control of everything your government and military is doing?

Nor was the Germans, they knew nothing about no concentration camps, just a few "need to know" basis had any idea of what was going on, not even the purpetraitors always knew what was really going on..

You have torture camps and illegal prisons in Iraq and Afganistan CERTAIN.
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You say the German people didn't know, yet we today know about Gitmo and Abu Grab etc. Apparently we have more knowledge, freedom of the press, etc than they did. Your comparison their is a FAIL.

Soldiers are brought to justice for doing things they shouldn't, post how may German soldiers and Nazis were tried and convicted of shooting Jews or throwing old Jew men out of fourth story windows? Good luck. :roll:

What race or culture is being rounded up and killed at all, let alone in mass, as the Nazis did to the Jews? This should be interesting. :lol:

As it has been mentioned, you seriously think that we have complete devotion to our leader? Bush? There were movies made about him describing him as a crook and a moron, how many movies were made about Hitler were there while Hitler was in power and please show us the ones that compare to Fahrenheit 911.

Start with these in an honest way please. Actually answer the questions and please don't sidestep as you usually do when presented with questions that will sink your anti-America rhetoric.



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Maximus Zeebra is right on the mark.

There are many disturbing laws that have been past in the last decade that is setting the stage for disturbing times in America.

One example....Any American can now be arrested and held FOREVER by simply saying they are a suspected terrorist and they DO NOT have due process of the law.

It is only a matter of time until this disturbing law and others implimented after 9/11 event in the guise of our own protection will start to be used regularly.

The Reichstag event did the exact same thing to Germany

I just don't understand how the average American has a hard time perceiving anything past their own little world(bubble).
 
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Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Governments surrender accrued power by one method and only the one method: armed revolt or threats thereof.
Socialists and their insistence on expanding the power of government are on the morally wrong side of these issues.
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Socialism is a stateless society achieved by armed revolution. But don't let that get in the way of your rant.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Perhaos if you see things in a less simplistic way you will understand. Did the flag fire you up, get you all cosy nationalist defender and all? Flame your feelings about the US?
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Burning the flag of another nation is probably the most stupid thing simple people can do. You choose to glorify the stupid act in an avatar. Perhaps you should ask what it does for you? Does it make you feel cozy? It simply reminds me of who you are.
 
GySgt said:
Burning the flag of another nation is probably the most stupid thing simple people can do. You choose to glorify the stupid act in an avatar. Perhaps you should ask what it does for you? Does it make you feel cozy? It simply reminds me of who you are.
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Sorry to tell you but Maximus Zeebra is right on the mark on what's going on with America's changes.
 
creativedreams said:
Sorry to tell you but Maximus Zeebra is right on the mark on what's going on with America's changes.
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And according to the poll 70% disagree. Not to mention the baseless and unsupported information he tried to use.

Go figure.
 
Blackdog said:
And according to the poll 70% disagree. Not to mention the baseless and unsupported information he tried to use.

Go figure.
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70% also have an I.Q. below 120 and likely cannot comprehend the big picture.
 
Let's see here. Once central tenet of Nazi Germany was the relentless persecution of Jews -- a more a salient feature of their rhetoric one would be hard pressed to find.

In looking around the world today, I do recognize some virulently antisemitic rhetoric arising from the right -- the neo nazis, many of the self described libertarians, crackpot conspiracy theorists and other thoroughly margianilized people who do not reflect mainstream conservatism in the least, and who are in no position of power, certainly not in the United States.

When I look at Europe, however, I see antisemitism endemic in the very fabric of those considering themselves socialists, the European left being so beholden to Islmists that their routine defense of Islamism routinely crosses the line into antisemitism. THese are not margainilized opinions, either, but mainstream -- so mainstream that elected officials in many western European countries are so cowed by Islamists that they have all but thrown in their lot with them, and by doing so, have become little more than their agents. Sure, the rhetoric is all couched today in Islamist terms, utilizes various rhetorical slights of hand whereby the antisemites try to avoid charges they are antisemitic, and is generally so indirect and politically correct as to be unrecognizeable by many who are not their target, but the age old hatred is a palpable thing, and very, VERY much part and parcel of a large portion of the European left.

IMO, those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. If we are to compare anybody to Nazis, we should compare them to what Nazis were really all about. In this regard, there really isn't any comparison between the United States and Europe.
 
reefedjib said:
So you think that Republican control of the government means we have:

  • primacy and glory of the state
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  • Ohh yes, not nationalism, but ultra nationalism when Republicans are in power.

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    [*]unquestioning obedience to its leader
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    Unquestioned obedience to your parties. Of course you do.. Also Americans would never go against the president. "yes sir Mr President".

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    [*]subordination of the individual will to the state’s authority
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More and more, its quite out of control already. You even let them see your private parts in airports because the government said so.

reefedjib said:
We most certainly do not have these. You are full of ****. You are on my ignore list.
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not really.
 
Blackdog said:
Then please post evidence of these "camps." So you want us to assume based on what? The happenings in Nazi Germany? :lol:

Your argument is so stupid I don't even know why I bothered.
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I never said there were camps. I said all you all suckers who claim by certainty there IS NOT, actually have no clue at all.

I believe there are AT LEAST 5-10 illegally driven and run camps in several different countries. I cant prove this, just like you cant prove that your goverment power(president+admin+generations of elite) arent driven by ulterior motives.
 
Bodhisattva said:
You say the German people didn't know, yet we today know about Gitmo and Abu Grab etc. Apparently we have more knowledge, freedom of the press, etc than they did. Your comparison their is a FAIL.
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Perhaps thats part of a broader propaganda. TO make you focus on that, and forget the possibility that there could be others, faced with government "transparency".

Bodhisattva said:
Soldiers are brought to justice for doing things they shouldn't, post how may German soldiers and Nazis were tried and convicted of shooting Jews or throwing old Jew men out of fourth story windows? Good luck. :roll:
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SOME soldiers, not by far all who deserves it. Its only made an example of a few, including NATO soldiers.
A lot of German soldiers were tried for treason and wrongdoings. Killing jews and so fourth wasnt considered a wrong doing by the German state at that time.

Bodhisattva said:
What race or culture is being rounded up and killed at all, let alone in mass, as the Nazis did to the Jews? This should be interesting. :lol:
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You have already killed and wounded millions of Muslims since 911. Also you have put a gun to their face and try to force them against their own conviction, to accept your conviction.

I am sure, the NAZIs if they did the same, would face far more success. What you seem to miss is that I am not directly comparing the US to NAZI Germany, I am just saying it learned the methods of NAZI Germany and are now taking them into use themselves. And for what purpose? Who ****ing knows?

Bodhisattva said:
As it has been mentioned, you seriously think that we have complete devotion to our leader? Bush? There were movies made about him describing him as a crook and a moron, how many movies were made about Hitler were there while Hitler was in power and please show us the ones that compare to Fahrenheit 911.
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Hitler had enourmous support after the Reichtag fire, he had substantial support in elections before he came to power as well. Bush had enourmous support, but instead of a führer, the US have come up with a better scheme, a "legitimate democratic" president, "elected" by the people, to serve "the people". You just dont see the narrow ways your democracy works as oppose to how a democracy should work, and how corruption of power should have been dealt with a long time.
I didnt say complete devotion to your leader, but your parties. Not far from at least. Considering how similar those parties really are, its quite scary. 50% of their agenda, AT LEAST, is the same. You only get to select the **** they serve you in elections, or select the other ****.


Bodhisattva said:
Start with these in an honest way please. Actually answer the questions and please don't sidestep as you usually do when presented with questions that will sink your anti-America rhetoric.
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I ALWAYS answer the questions. Perhaps you just dont understand the answers.
 
creativedreams said:
Maximus Zeebra is right on the mark.

There are many disturbing laws that have been past in the last decade that is setting the stage for disturbing times in America.

One example....Any American can now be arrested and held FOREVER by simply saying they are a suspected terrorist and they DO NOT have due process of the law.

It is only a matter of time until this disturbing law and others implimented after 9/11 event in the guise of our own protection will start to be used regularly.

The Reichstag event did the exact same thing to Germany

I just don't understand how the average American has a hard time perceiving anything past their own little world(bubble).
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Average Americans dont understand politics, they have no idea about what is going on, and they dont care, its made so they do not need to care. So the Germans were also made rich by wars, and they didnt care, because they didnt need to. Money is a nice spell.

People dont see the broader context of what is going on, they just see the narrow perspectives of party politics, retoric and so fourth, what they are basically served.

And btw all y'all thats going to call me anti-American now, all these things are valid for Europe as well.
 
GySgt said:
Burning the flag of another nation is probably the most stupid thing simple people can do. You choose to glorify the stupid act in an avatar. Perhaps you should ask what it does for you? Does it make you feel cozy? It simply reminds me of who you are.
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Who f***ing cares? Its a piece of fabric with painting on it man..

:doh


I dont give a **** if you burn up a European flag right in front of me, nor a Norwegian flag or any other flag, I dont give a ****. Its a flag, and I am not an ultra nationalist nor ultra federalist.
 
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Blackdog said:
And according to the poll 70% disagree. Not to mention the baseless and unsupported information he tried to use.

Go figure.
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Are you drawing the "majority is always right" card?

Please also in the same time when you answer that, give me an indication about how many percent of a society is in the top 10% smart group of a society? :mrgreen:
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Perhaps thats part of a broader propaganda. TO make you focus on that, and forget the possibility that there could be others, faced with government "transparency".



SOME soldiers, not by far all who deserves it. Its only made an example of a few, including NATO soldiers.
A lot of German soldiers were tried for treason and wrongdoings. Killing jews and so fourth wasnt considered a wrong doing by the German state at that time.



You have already killed and wounded millions of Muslims since 911. Also you have put a gun to their face and try to force them against their own conviction, to accept your conviction.

I am sure, the NAZIs if they did the same, would face far more success. What you seem to miss is that I am not directly comparing the US to NAZI Germany, I am just saying it learned the methods of NAZI Germany and are now taking them into use themselves. And for what purpose? Who ****ing knows?



Hitler had enourmous support after the Reichtag fire, he had substantial support in elections before he came to power as well. Bush had enourmous support, but instead of a führer, the US have come up with a better scheme, a "legitimate democratic" president, "elected" by the people, to serve "the people". You just dont see the narrow ways your democracy works as oppose to how a democracy should work, and how corruption of power should have been dealt with a long time.
I didnt say complete devotion to your leader, but your parties. Not far from at least. Considering how similar those parties really are, its quite scary. 50% of their agenda, AT LEAST, is the same. You only get to select the **** they serve you in elections, or select the other ****.




I ALWAYS answer the questions. Perhaps you just dont understand the answers.
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Don't flatter yourself. There is answering the question and then there is answering the question. One can be done simply with any answer and the other is done with a thoughtful and fact oriented response. You again only offered the former, not the later. Thank you for sharing your opinions, which are again baseless and subjective smear-mongering....
 
Blackdog said:
Not really but if you want to wear a tin foil hat, be my guest.
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Everyone who isnt like you or disagree with you wear a "tin foil hat", what is that?

Everyone who is open to more possibilities then you are concpiracy theorists?


Or, actually, anyone who disagree with you or your party are concpiracy theorists or idiots?

Is that your insight here? :doh


If you werent so closed down you would actually listen to concpiracy theorists and not always ule out things that arent majority opinion as "tin foil hat stuff".. At least try to understand them, they always have valid points, even if you cant agree with the broader theory, because most points seems unlikely. At least weight things up against each other before taking the "majority stand".
 
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Gardener said:
Let's see here. Once central tenet of Nazi Germany was the relentless persecution of Jews -- a more a salient feature of their rhetoric one would be hard pressed to find.

In looking around the world today, I do recognize some virulently antisemitic rhetoric arising from the right -- the neo nazis, many of the self described libertarians, crackpot conspiracy theorists and other thoroughly margianilized people who do not reflect mainstream conservatism in the least, and who are in no position of power, certainly not in the United States.
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:2funny:

The Republicans tell you that libertarians are anti-semetic. Thats new man, thanks for the laugh. Liberterians are the only people willing to defend your constitution, even when the weak majority have given up.


Gardener said:
When I look at Europe, however, I see antisemitism endemic in the very fabric of those considering themselves socialists, the European left being so beholden to Islmists that their routine defense of Islamism routinely crosses the line into antisemitism.
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WHAT? Islamophobia is at least as big as anti-semitism. And its adopted from the US. Both groups are idiots, quite a small group of idiots.

Gardener said:
THese are not margainilized opinions, either, but mainstream -- so mainstream that elected officials in many western European countries are so cowed by Islamists that they have all but thrown in their lot with them, and by doing so, have become little more than their agents.
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I have to lay down this time. More laughter will probably kill me.

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Who gave you these golden jokes? FoxNews and their attempt to have the American people support further wars?


Gardener said:
Sure, the rhetoric is all couched today in Islamist terms, utilizes various rhetorical slights of hand whereby the antisemites try to avoid charges they are antisemitic, and is generally so indirect and politically correct as to be unrecognizeable by many who are not their target, but the age old hatred is a palpable thing, and very, VERY much part and parcel of a large portion of the European left.
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Europeans just want all the people of the earth to prosper. Europeans in general are now against wars and violence, which is why we use incentives to bring good changes to other nations. Not force, idealism, retoric, fear and oppression like the US. We dont do that.
Europeans just wants what is best for everyone, and are now less and less blinded by retoric, extremism, propaganda and so fourth.

Gardener said:
IMO, those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. If we are to compare anybody to Nazis, we should compare them to what Nazis were really all about. In this regard, there really isn't any comparison between the United States and Europe.
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You obviously didnt understand the OP.
 
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