View Poll Results: Did the US adapt the methods, foreign policy and state power of NAZI Germany.

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  • Yes, a lot of it

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  • Yes, somewhat

    6 4.62%
  • Hmm, maybe

    3 2.31%
  • Dont know, dont care

    1 0.77%
  • Yes, its proving a good strategy

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  • Yes, I support it

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  • No, not really

    19 14.62%
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Thread: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sov View Post
    Of course you haven't.
    Yeah, sorry, don't seek out people who use very generic and unoriginal material to make long debunked points, care to bring substance to the rest of my quote, or would you like to concede the argument.
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Completely disagree, very few of the points in Keynsian theory actually facilitate capitalism, that is infrastructure projects and a very limited usage. When it comes to regulating a free market, the theory is lacking.
    Are you saying you disagree that since Keynesian economic policy has been implemented throughout the world, business cycles have been more so "controlled"?

    Source?
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Yeah, sorry, don't seek out people who use very generic and unoriginal material to make long debunked points
    "Debunked" in the dreams bouncing around in your Atlas Shrugged addled skull perhaps. It's clear that Carson is very literate in economics and he evinces analytical ability such as I've never seen reflected in your posts.
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I am talking about the US, especially since year 2000. I am talking about the methods of the Republican party.
    I am talking about things like justifications for going to war, the distortion and propaganda surrounding it. I am talking about the police state, and increased right of the government. I am talking about propaganda and brainwashing in general, I am talking about the agenda of the political class, I am talking about foreign policy.
    I am basically asking, did the US learn more FROM NAZI Germany, then BY(the bad example)..

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    drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist
    dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
    voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
    That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
    and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the
    country to danger. It works the same in any country."
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    I think in the decades following WW11 Europe [excluding the UK] has probably had its fill of conflict-irrespective of the causes. They no longer, on the whole, see Military action as its first, or for that matter, last response. This perhaps polarises them with American foreign policy response [i do not feel American has always chose the right course of action] but, America has not always chose the wrong course of action. Europe [parts of] has basically lost the stomach for a fight, and see the route of diplomacy as the path most beneficial.

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    Summed up nicely. The Cold War created two different perspectives...

    1) For Europeans, the internal discipline as well as the external protection provided by America's presence and power permitted security and the spread of wealth across social class lines, but also nurtured a blithe attitude toward both distant troubles and ther suffering of neighbors behind thye Iron curtain. This translated into the determined will to ignore the crumbling Yugoslavia and the human carnage of Bosnia and then Kosovo in the 1990s.

    2) For Americans, the party never stopped after World War II and our military found itself on more distant lands than ever before. But even with this, the huge expansion of American wealth and power led Americans right back into a sense of detachment from the world. Despite Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf War, and all small events in between, much of America had traveled back into a sense of isolationalism.

    Then came 9/11. All of a sudden Americans were faced with the world again. We had to learn the same old lesson as before. We had to once again learn that the sickness of the world will eventually reach us if we do not stay ever vigilant across the sea. We got comfortable with the predictability of the Cold War. And when the Berlin Wall came down we got sleepy. We refused to pay attention to the next growing religious threat. On 9/11, we finally acknowledged that Marx, not God, is dead. Europe lags in grasping that the Age of Frivolity is over. But it will learn the hard way soon enough. Perhaps by then America will have no stomach left to "fight." Maybe our bare minimum with guarantees of rear duty will head across the ocean. Could anybody dare even criticize that after the show of support in Afghanistan?

    But your response didn't reflect on how Europeans fancy their criticisms towards the U.S. They don't simply wag a finger and hypocritically state, "bad." They normally pull from their own past and compare...

    - Gitmo = Gulag.
    - A handful of waterboarding cases = Nazi Party.
    - Muslims slaughtering Muslims in Iraq = Holocaust.


    This sort of criticism has more to do with internal soothing than true criticism.
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Are you saying you disagree that since Keynesian economic policy has been implemented throughout the world, business cycles have been more so "controlled"?
    Business cycles have been altered, yes, but I wouldn't necessarily say "controlled" since that is nearly impossible as long as supply and demand is a factor.

    Source?
    All one has to do is look at economic cycles over the past 130 years or so.
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Ok then, that is the defense of the Nationalist Republican Fascist Party supporters?
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    We're not exterminating any particular groups based on ideas of racial superiority. That would be a small but noticeable difference.
    Muslims/Arabs? ...
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There are similarities between any two countries, and any two governments, simply by the nature of what countries and governments are. So yes, there are some similarities, but we are not becoming "like" nazi Germany. Not Bush, not Obama, not Bush the elder, not Reagan, not any president or congress in my lifetime has moved us to be in any significant way like nazi Germany. Those on both sides who make nazi comparisons are either ignorant, or irrational.
    Ok, I will turn the question completely around... Did the US learn by the mistakes of the NAZI empire, and trying their best to avoid doing any of the same things? (I am talking especially about the methods of the Republican party)
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sov View Post
    Obviously the U.S. will never be Nazi Germany, but an ultra-nationalistic militarist police state marked by hysteria, xenophobia, anti-intellectualism, exceptionalist and expansionist foreign policies etc., etc. is very much a possibility. To a significant extent those elements (or their foundations) are already in place.
    That is my fear(it is also what I see happening), and the Republican party approach to this, it is my enemy.
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