View Poll Results: Did the US adapt the methods, foreign policy and state power of NAZI Germany.

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  • Yes, clearly

    10 7.69%
  • Yes, a lot of it

    10 7.69%
  • Yes, somewhat

    6 4.62%
  • Hmm, maybe

    3 2.31%
  • Dont know, dont care

    1 0.77%
  • Yes, its proving a good strategy

    0 0%
  • Yes, I support it

    1 0.77%
  • No, not really

    19 14.62%
  • No, not at all

    73 56.15%
  • Other(specify)..

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Thread: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    This is a Socialist Nation, hoss.
    That is absolutely wrong. We are a Representative Republic. It is a type of democracy. As with all types of democracy's it has some elements of socialism, this does not in any way make it a socialist nation.
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Give us the names of three people in our government advocating all out socialism.
    Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barbara Boxer, Maxine Waters, Richard Durbin, Rahm Emmanuel, Barak Hussein Obama, John Kerry, Olympia Snowe, etc.
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    If these people are socialists so are the Republicans. Capitalists have ALWAYS been in bed with the state.
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sov View Post


    If these people are socialists so are the Republicans. Capitalists have ALWAYS been in bed with the state.
    Nope, that would be Keynsian economics, not those of true capitalists, and yes there are socialist leaning Republicans, but, we are talking about government abuse and socialism, so, if the hammer and sickle fits............
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Nope, that would be Keynsian economics, not those of true capitalists, and yes there are socialist leaning Republicans, but, we are talking about government abuse and socialism, so, if the hammer and sickle fits............
    Capitalism as it has ever actually existed has always been in bed with the state. This was true before Keynes was even born.
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I am talking about the US, especially since year 2000. I am talking about the methods of the Republican party.
    I am talking about things like justifications for going to war, the distortion and propaganda surrounding it. I am talking about the police state, and increased right of the government. I am talking about propaganda and brainwashing in general, I am talking about the agenda of the political class, I am talking about foreign policy.
    I am basically asking, did the US learn more FROM NAZI Germany, then BY(the bad example)..
    Enough with your anti-American rhetoric.

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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Nope, that would be Keynsian economics, not those of true capitalists, and yes there are socialist leaning Republicans, but, we are talking about government abuse and socialism, so, if the hammer and sickle fits............
    Keynesian theory was and is put in place to protect capitalism from itself. Don't believe me, take a look for yourself:http://www.debatepolitics.com/econom...post1058374550
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Keynesian theory was and is put in place to protect capitalism from itself. Don't believe me, take a look for yourself:http://www.debatepolitics.com/econom...post1058374550
    Completely disagree, very few of the points in Keynsian theory actually facilitate capitalism, that is infrastructure projects and a very limited usage. When it comes to regulating a free market, the theory is lacking.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Completely disagree, very few of the points in Keynsian theory actually facilitate capitalism, that is infrastructure projects and a very limited usage. When it comes to regulating a free market, the theory is lacking.
    You talk as if there was a free market to begin with. As Kevin Carson puts it in "The Iron Fist Behind the Invisible Hand,"

    Capitalism was founded on an act of robbery as massive as feudalism. It has been sustained to the present by continual state intervention to protect its system of privilege, without which its survival is unimaginable.

    The current structure of capital ownership and organization of production in our so-called "market" economy, reflects coercive state intervention prior to and extraneous to the market. From the outset of the industrial revolution, what is nostalgically called "laissez-faire", was in fact a system of continuing state intervention to subsidize accumulation, guarantee privilege, and maintain work discipline.

    Most such intervention is tacitly assumed by mainstream right-libertarians as part of a "market" system. Although a few intellectually honest ones like Rothbard and Hess were willing to look into the role of coercion in creating capitalism, the Chicago school and Randoids take existing property relations and class power as a given. Their ideal "free market" is merely the current system minus the progressive regulatory and welfare state--i.e., nineteenth century robber baron capitalism. ...

    Accordingly, the single biggest subsidy to modern corporate capitalism is the subsidy of history, by which capital was originally accumulated in a few hands, and labor was deprived of access to the means of production and forced to sell itself on the buyer's terms. The current system of concentrated capital ownership and large-scale corporate organization is the direct beneficiary of that original structure of power and property ownership, which has perpetuated itself over the centuries.
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sov View Post
    You talk as if there was a free market to begin with. As Kevin Carson puts it in "The Iron Fist Behind the Invisible Hand,"
    Never heard of him, and frankly, don't think he's anything more than another empty suit. For instance:

    [INDENT][INDENT]Capitalism was founded on an act of robbery as massive as feudalism. It has been sustained to the present by continual state intervention to protect its system of privilege, without which its survival is unimaginable.
    This is class warfare rhetoric and complete nonsense. The structure of capitalism is nothing more than the concept of equitable trade, to say that such a trade is "robbery" shows the guy doesn't have the first clue about natural economic principles such as supply and demand, and obviously he, like other flawed "economists" doesn't care, because he is coming at this from a biased standpoint, not one of scholarship.

    The current structure of capital ownership and organization of production in our so-called "market" economy, reflects coercive state intervention prior to and extraneous to the market. From the outset of the industrial revolution, what is nostalgically called "laissez-faire", was in fact a system of continuing state intervention to subsidize accumulation, guarantee privilege, and maintain work discipline.
    On this point he is correct, but only sort of, the intervention is what has made modern economics less than viable, while some regulation would be necessary, too much chokes off the market mechanisms that drive consumption and production

    Most such intervention is tacitly assumed by mainstream right-libertarians as part of a "market" system. Although a few intellectually honest ones like Rothbard and Hess were willing to look into the role of coercion in creating capitalism, the Chicago school and Randoids take existing property relations and class power as a given. Their ideal "free market" is merely the current system minus the progressive regulatory and welfare state--i.e., nineteenth century robber baron capitalism. ...
    Coercion? Like the millions murdered to implement socialism and communism? That kind of coercion?
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Never heard of him
    Of course you haven't.
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