View Poll Results: Did the US adapt the methods, foreign policy and state power of NAZI Germany.

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  • Yes, clearly

    10 7.69%
  • Yes, a lot of it

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  • Yes, somewhat

    6 4.62%
  • Hmm, maybe

    3 2.31%
  • Dont know, dont care

    1 0.77%
  • Yes, its proving a good strategy

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  • Yes, I support it

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  • No, not really

    19 14.62%
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Thread: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    The average European....

    Insulting America in order to appease internal personal turmoils about the depravity of their own continent. Of all the empires or civilizations in history to seek similarity to (Greek, Roman, British) they will always seek their own Nazi Germany in order to soothe their history.

    Of any of the nations in the west to resemble Germany, one could make easy argument over France's behaviors in Algeria where hundreds of thousands were publicly tortured. But making comparisons to Germany would have been unthinkable back then because people's memories were still very clear on the matter. Today? A few waterboarding cases make us Nazis. The ignorant throw a parade after every American stumble and such stumbles absolutely have to be compared to Nazi Germany, don't they? It's fashionable in anti-Americanist Europe. Hell, today Germany isn't even guilty for its past. We call it "Nazi" Germany as if separate from the whole. America doesn't even get that pathetic consideration by those who seek to frangrance their stench.
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I am talking about the US, especially since year 2000. I am talking about the methods of the Republican party.
    I am talking about things like justifications for going to war, the distortion and propaganda surrounding it. I am talking about the police state, and increased right of the government. I am talking about propaganda and brainwashing in general, I am talking about the agenda of the political class, I am talking about foreign policy.
    I am basically asking, did the US learn more FROM NAZI Germany, then BY(the bad example)..

    Your parody of some crack pot loser retarded leftist idiot making a retarded comparison of the US to Nazi Germany while probably at the same time offending jews and everyone else who lived through the holocaust is fantastic. Almost convincing. Two thumbs up. Those morons who make asinine comparisons of the US to Nazi Germany are ****en retarded. I think those retards are the reason why a lot of people think that you should have to pass a IQ test to vote or to breed.
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    The average European....

    Insulting America in order to appease internal personal turmoils about the depravity of their own continent. Of all the empires or civilizations in history to seek similarity to (Greek, Roman, British) they will always seek their own Nazi Germany in order to soothe their history.

    Of any of the nations in the west to resemble Germany, one could make easy argument over France's behaviors in Algeria where hundreds of thousands were publicly tortured. But making comparisons to Germany would have been unthinkable back then because people's memories were still very clear on the matter. Today? A few waterboarding cases make us Nazis. The ignorant throw a parade after every American stumble and such stumbles absolutely have to be compared to Nazi Germany, don't they? It's fashionable in anti-Americanist Europe. Hell, today Germany isn't even guilty for its past. We call it "Nazi" Germany as if separate from the whole. America doesn't even get that pathetic consideration by those who seek to frangrance their stench.
    No matter what the thread, you seem to constantly infer that Europeans are in denial of past atrocities, and commenting on, what Europeans see as America abusing its power-is in some way linked to self denial. I seriously fail to see the link?
    All, or pretty much all, Western powers have risen to where they are today through committing Atrocities in one war or another. That does not stop such societies evolving and commenting on what they see as an injustice.
    We can, as a society, face up and move on from our pasts, what one generation did does not have to hinder the development of the next. Germany's need to distance itself from the Nazi regime shows how far it has came from its previous ideology. 'You', saying Europe cannot pass judgement, because of past atrocities is ludicrous.

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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    I answered NO, not at all. American action [post 9/11] was reactive. Nazi action was pro-active, big difference.

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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    No matter what the thread, you seem to constantly infer that Europeans are in denial of past atrocities ......
    Perhaps you can shed some light then. Our European critics never criticize without seeking their own past to do it....

    Why is it that no matter what America does, there is always the quest to compare America to the worst Europeans have to offer? During the 80s Europeans were fond of expressing how America was going to bring about the end of the world (and mass protests and negative polls ensued). During the 90s Europeans expressed their disgust over Bosnia and Kosovo despite the human carnage that was going igbnored by Europeans before we even got there and forced a hand. And over the last decade we have been compared to Nazis and even as far as labeled as Germany's equivelent.

    Always, Europeans seek the worst scenario and attach America to it. My perspective on European "denial" is more about soothing internal turmoils than it is about fantacizing a different past.

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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There are similarities between any two countries, and any two governments, simply by the nature of what countries and governments are. So yes, there are some similarities, but we are not becoming "like" nazi Germany. Not Bush, not Obama, not Bush the elder, not Reagan, not any president or congress in my lifetime has moved us to be in any significant way like nazi Germany. Those on both sides who make nazi comparisons are either ignorant, or irrational.
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    I answered NO, not at all. American action [post 9/11] was reactive. Nazi action was pro-active, big difference.

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    There's also that little difference in the actual action taken by each nation that you've forgotten to mention.
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Perhaps you can shed some light then. Our European critics never criticize without seeking their own past to do it....

    Why is it that no matter what America does, there is always the quest to compare America to the worst Europeans have to offer? During the 80s Europeans were fond of expressing how America was going to bring about the end of the world (and mass protests and negative polls ensued). During the 90s Europeans expressed their disgust over Bosnia and Kosovo despite the human carnage that was going igbnored by Europeans before we even got there and forced a hand. And over the last decade we have been compared to Nazis and even as far as labeled as Germany's equivelent.

    Always, Europeans seek the worst scenario and attach America to it. My perspective on European "denial" is more about soothing internal turmoils than it is about fantacizing a different past.
    I think in the decades following WW11 Europe [excluding the UK] has probably had its fill of conflict-irrespective of the causes. They no longer, on the whole, see Military action as its first, or for that matter, last response. This perhaps polarises them with American foreign policy response [i do not feel American has always chose the right course of action] but, America has not always chose the wrong course of action. Europe [parts of] has basically lost the stomach for a fight, and see the route of diplomacy as the path most beneficial.

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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    No matter what the thread, you seem to constantly infer that Europeans are in denial of past atrocities, and commenting on, what Europeans see as America abusing its power-is in some way linked to self denial. I seriously fail to see the link?
    If is not denial or ignorance then what is it? How do you go from comparing a country like the US to nazi Germany if there is no denial or ignorance involved? Its like a woman with a broken nail talking about how it's excruciating pain while standing in front of a woman with 5 kids. Its like gay and illegals comparing themselves to a people whose ancestors kidnapped and enslaved, the target of terrorist from the reconstruction era to the 1960's, denied the same(noticed I said the word "same") constitutional rights as their white counterparts and not even declared human or full citizens until much later. So how do you compare the USA to a monster like Adolph Hitler if it is not ignorance or denial?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    There's also that little difference in the actual action taken by each nation that you've forgotten to mention.
    Considering my statement implies their are NO similarities between America and Nazi Germany policy i did not feel the need to go further, perhaps you misunderstood?

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