View Poll Results: Did the US adapt the methods, foreign policy and state power of NAZI Germany.

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  • Yes, clearly

    10 7.69%
  • Yes, a lot of it

    10 7.69%
  • Yes, somewhat

    6 4.62%
  • Hmm, maybe

    3 2.31%
  • Dont know, dont care

    1 0.77%
  • Yes, its proving a good strategy

    0 0%
  • Yes, I support it

    1 0.77%
  • No, not really

    19 14.62%
  • No, not at all

    73 56.15%
  • Other(specify)..

    7 5.38%
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    You just said that Norway is nationalistic. What point are you trying to make, that American Nationalism is bad but all other countries it is OK? WTF is your deal man. Holy ****ing ****!
    I hate nationalism in general, I think its primitive and wrong not matter what nation it is.

    I will address the other points when I have time.
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Interesting point is that the US defense budget has risen 100% the past decade. Even without the Iraq and Afghanistan warfare costs included.
    As a percentage of the federal budget it has not.
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sov View Post
    An incomplete list of tendencies in the U.S. which could also be found in Nazi Germany. Quick and offhand. Obviously many of these overlap. For the most part these are not quite as strong in the U.S., but in a crisis situation they could become much stronger to the point that what few civil liberties have been gained would be suspended indefinitely. Anyone who believes that a state-sponsored genocide could not happen again is extremely naive.

    1. Militarism
    2. "National security state"
    3. Police statism
    4. Unilateralism
    5. Anti-intellectualism
    6. Corporatism
    7. Right-wing Authoritarianism; "Fear-based" politics
    8. Ultra-nationalism
    9. Nativism/Xenophobia/Scapegoating
    10. Racist pseudoscience; advocacy of state-sponsored eugenics (e.g. Bell Curve, American Renaissance, CCC, Human Biodiversity Institute)
    11. Dumbed-down "faith based" politics (compare to "Positive Christianity")
    12. Sexual repression/hysteria
    13. Political Correctness (though supposedly of the "left" will be used by the authoritarian right when it suits their purposes)
    This is the sort of crap that makes me dislike some libertarians around here, and it's a stain on those mostly conservative libertarians that I respect.
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    As a percentage of the federal budget it has not.
    I am aware of that, but the rise compared to other expenses in the federal budget, is massive.
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    mad Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Want the best example?

    Look at the Waco massacre of 1993. 51 days of torture and harassment by the ATF and the FBI along with military tanks equipped with CS gas and flame throwers.

    79 men, women and children in the compound perished.

    Just like the Nazis rounding up village people into a barn and setting it on fire.

    Why aren't Janet Reno and Bill Clinton being prosecuted for mass murder?

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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I am aware of that, but the rise compared to other expenses in the federal budget, is massive.

    As a percentage of the Federal budget, it has remained around, or below, 20% consistently.

    And in the last decade, it reached a 50-year LOW in percentage of discretionary spending.

    Shouldn't it embarrass you to be this ill-informed about your favorite topic?
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    There's certainly a degree of fascism which is starting to choke out the system. But I don't think it's something that makes us more like Nazi Germany. Fascism is the natural progression for all governments, and one reason why it is essential to constrain and control government (which the People of the US have not been doing lately). So in the end, I'd have to say that I don't see much in the way of similarities between the US and Nazi Germany which are not true of general behavior and direction of all governments.
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Want the best example?

    Look at the Waco massacre of 1993. 51 days of torture and harassment by the ATF and the FBI along with military tanks equipped with CS gas and flame throwers.

    79 men, women and children in the compound perished.

    Just like the Nazis rounding up village people into a barn and setting it on fire.

    Why aren't Janet Reno and Bill Clinton being prosecuted for mass murder?
    They were given warnings and stayed inside.

    They/FEDS begged them to allow those kids to leave and the parents would not release the children. This says a lot about those people and what they were dealing with
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Want the best example?

    Look at the Waco massacre of 1993. 51 days of torture and harassment by the ATF and the FBI along with military tanks equipped with CS gas and flame throwers.

    79 men, women and children in the compound perished.

    Just like the Nazis rounding up village people into a barn and setting it on fire.

    Why aren't Janet Reno and Bill Clinton being prosecuted for mass murder?

    Can you show me that the WACO freaks were rounded up and placed into the compound by the government or did they choose to be there?

    Your making this easy.

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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ludwig von Mises
    Economics in the second German Reich, as represented by the government-appointed university professors, degenerated into an unsystematic, poorly assorted collection of various scraps of knowledge borrowed from history, geography, technology, jurisprudence, and party politics, larded with deprecatory remarks about the errors in the "abstractions" of the Classical School.

    After 1866, the men who came into the academic career had only contempt for "bloodless abstractions." They published historical studies, preferably such as dealt with labor conditions of the recent past. Many of them were firmly convinced that the foremost task of economists was to aid the "people" in the war of liberation they were waging against the "exploiters."

    This was the position Gustav Schmoller embraced with regard to economics. Again and again he blamed the economists for having prematurely made inferences from quantitatively insufficient material. What, in his opinion, was needed in order to substitute a realistic science of economics for the hasty generalizations of the British "armchair" economists was more statistics, more history, and more collection of "material." Out of the results of such research the economists of the future, he maintained, would one day develop new insights by "induction."
    Does Gustav Schmoller remind you of anyone alive today?

    Quote Originally Posted by James Devine
    The original statements by the rebellious French economics students define autistic economics in terms of its one-sided and exclusionary interest in "imaginary worlds," "uncontrolled use of mathematics" and the absence of pluralism of approaches in economics. The hard-core autistic walling off from the societal environment can be seen most strongly in the specific, highly abstract, axiomatic school that the students protested against.
    More recently, the Post-Autistic Economics Network has grown bold enough to demand that federally-funded economics associations censure anybody who displays “axiom-happy behavior,” as this is considered symptomatic of autism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Real-World Economics Review
    It is accepted fact that the economics profession through its teachings, pronouncements and policy recommendations facilitated the Global Financial Collapse (GFC). To date, however, the world’s major economics associations have declined to censure the major facilitators of the GFC or even to publicly identify them. This silence, this indifference to causing human suffering, constitutes grave moral failure. It also gives license to economists to continue to indulge in axiom-happy behaviour.
    Since these associations are funded entirely by the Federal Government, this is tantamount to government censorship. Indeed, their use of the word [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censure]censure[/ame], rather than censor, implies a formal reprimand issued to an individual by an authoritative body. This is highly reminiscent of the Soviet practice of denouncing dissidents as mentally ill. If preventing autistic people from getting published becomes government policy, it is only a short step to forcibly institutionalizing anybody who has studied geometry or otherwise shown an aptitude for the axiomatic method.

    If this comparison seems unimportant, recall what the German Historical School led to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ludwig von Mises
    The political significance of the work of the Historical School consisted in the fact that it rendered Germany safe for the ideas, the acceptance of which made popular with the German people all those disastrous policies that resulted in the great catastrophes. The aggressive imperialism that twice ended in war and defeat, the limitless inflation of the early 1920s, the Zwangswirtschaft and all the horrors of the Nazi regime were achievements of politicians who acted as they had been taught by the champions of the Historical School.
    At this early stage of the Post-Autistic Movement, the most obvious point of comparison with the Nazis is their campaign to ban academic papers.



    Just because it is not the government, in the sense of actual federal agents, who are burning books does not mean that it is any less wrong or any different than Nazi book burning. That was not done by the government either. It was the German Student Association.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia (Nazi Book Burning)
    The German Student Association (Deutsche Studentenschaft) proclaimed a nationwide "Action against the Un-German Spirit," to climax in a literary purge or "cleansing" ("Säuberung") by fire.

    Placards publicized the theses, which attacked "Jewish intellectualism," asserted the need to "purify" German language and literature.

    On May 10, 1933 the students burned upwards of 25,000 volumes of "un-German" books, presaging an era of state censorship and control of culture. On the night of May 10, in most university towns, nationalist students marched in torchlight parades "against the un-German spirit."
    Is the following quote reckless in the extreme? Then read my 2008 paper about monetary theory:
    http://www.axiomaticeconomics.com/in...e_collapse.php
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    No tax raises needed, just have the federal government spend the money into existence.

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