View Poll Results: Did the US adapt the methods, foreign policy and state power of NAZI Germany.

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  • Yes, clearly

    10 7.69%
  • Yes, a lot of it

    10 7.69%
  • Yes, somewhat

    6 4.62%
  • Hmm, maybe

    3 2.31%
  • Dont know, dont care

    1 0.77%
  • Yes, its proving a good strategy

    0 0%
  • Yes, I support it

    1 0.77%
  • No, not really

    19 14.62%
  • No, not at all

    73 56.15%
  • Other(specify)..

    7 5.38%
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Thread: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sov View Post
    Capitalism as it has ever actually existed has always been in bed with the state. This was true before Keynes was even born.
    That's why minarchism must accompany capitalism in order for it (capitalism) to work as intended.

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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    Dude, any sort of regulation of commerce is Socialism. If you don't believe it, just go ask the right wing whack-o-loons.
    You are the lamest poster ever.

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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    70% also have an I.Q. below 120 and likely cannot comprehend the big picture.
    I've seen your IQ at work in the conspiracy forums. Can't say I'm impressed...

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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    By the way, why is anyone even bothering with MZ? Don't feed the trolls, please...

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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Sorry about renaming you. But stereotypes do exist and not just in my own head though you may enjoy attempting to condescend to me.

    "Asians are good at math" is an example which shoots down what you said. Its an existing stereotype that everyone knows. Another one is "Muslims are terrorists".

    It is not an opinion bodhi, though you would of course attempt to disprove that stereotypically homogenized white americans in many regions of the country are somewhat anti-muslim. Luckily you don't seem to have experienced it yet. Nice for you.
    Another good word besides stereotypes is hypocrits. I think that everyone would be calling Americans terrorists after atom bombs. Japs attack our militairy. We take out their citizens. And on the other side of the spectrum, chagrined civilians attack us and we use our war militairy and now end up killing normal citizens in the mix.
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    You tied my brain in a knot but I get what you said. Crappy situation.

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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I just did a huge thought provoking repsonse to you, and Internet Explorer shut down on me, so this one will be more concise.
    Use Mozilla Firefox. Its free and much better

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    Of course they are exploiting the hell out of the apathy of the people.
    In a perfect or even good system this would not be possible.


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    If Australia was terrorist and they supported terrorists that attacked Chinese citizens, China itself or Chinese interests around the world and then China responded with force, and as a result they set up a friendly system of government that supported peace and security and trade, then I would have no problem with it at all. The USA did not use force to "spread democracy" though... they used force to "spread stability" to a violent and oppressive region that was using terror to terrorize too.
    Forget terrorists.
    Lets say for theory that China comes up with a new concept. That Australia for example is by them seen as a threat to communism because they support the "terrorist" people in Tibet. Or any excuse that seems just in Chinese eyes and unjust in other eyes. Then you see a Chinese invasion of Australia as justified and legal? And the result being the spread of communism(the superior model in Chinese eyes, and the removal of the "insane" democratic leadership regime)... Would you find that OK? (if you dont they you are hipocrite for finding US actions ok)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Indoctrination? Examples please...
    The things we learn in school for example.. It isnt just facts, there are loads of strange political indoctrination made into it. Example for the US, the whole allegiance and nationalism, surrounding the flag, the anthem and the nation.

    Example the west, where all education mentions exclusively democracy as the right model, and have no look into alternatives, except negative short looks.

    Thats just two tiny examples. We dont choose what to believe, we are made to believe. We can break free from it, but it certainly takes a lot.



    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Greater emphasis could be put on the importance of politics, I agree. The rest is already kinda what we have here, to a degree.
    Nothing of what I said is what you have in the US, its what you dont have. And the same goes for European democracy.

    If you disagree, then break it into seperate points. Here is what I said.
    Quote Originally Posted by myself/MZ
    I dont entirely agree. I believe the best of this system must be used, and communism/socialism be added to it. I believe in no individual represeting power, nor do I believe in political careers. I think I would prefer a solid political education in primary school, and drafting of people into political institutions instead of elections. I believe ina one party system where everyone is made into voting independent, and I believe in peoples power in form of established areas of politics where people decide by referendum. I also believe in elder councils(old people always knows best, we have to listen to them), I also believe power should be split up between local, regional, national/state and federal/national levels, with a balance of power that is equal. Furthermore I dont believe in election of law enforcement(judges, sherrifs and so fourth). I also believe in surveilance of leadership, police, military and so fourth as oppose to surveilance of the people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    We have major elements of Socialism already in the USA, have had so for 70 years.
    Corporate socialism, isnt the same as socialism. But yes, it has grown more and more in the US on general basis as well.
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    The only similarity I see is a certain political party going out of its way to demonize the other party....
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Sorry about renaming you. But stereotypes do exist and not just in my own head though you may enjoy attempting to condescend to me.

    "Asians are good at math" is an example which shoots down what you said. Its an existing stereotype that everyone knows. Another one is "Muslims are terrorists".

    It is not an opinion bodhi, though you would of course attempt to disprove that stereotypically homogenized white americans in many regions of the country are somewhat anti-muslim. Luckily you don't seem to have experienced it yet. Nice for you.
    No offence and no problem about the name at all... just thought you should know. All good.

    I was not condescending with you, I was playing with words. Don't fret.

    My point was not that there is not an existing stereotype, but that it is not an accepted stereotype by the group that you listed. Listen, calling blacks "watermelon eating porch monkeys" was a stereotype too, among racists and ingorant bafoons. I would not say that it was a stereotype of homogenized white americans in a general statement like you did. You are now starting to qualify your statement with "in many regions of the country are somewhat anti-Muslim". Do you see the difference? From broad to more specific.

    I have met people that are anti-Muslim as a result of 911 and all that, but a small percentage of them were what I would consider homogenized white americans and they seemed more like fear mongering people of lesser intelligence, to be honest.

    So, with your intial blanker statement of "homogenized white americans" I disagree and it obviously is not so, since I and many others don't feel this way. With your qualification of, "homogenized white americans in many regions of the country are somewhat anti-Muslim" I have no doubt.
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    In a perfect or even good system this would not be possible.
    I disagree...

    Forget terrorists.
    Lets say for theory that China comes up with a new concept. That Australia for example is by them seen as a threat to communism because they support the "terrorist" people in Tibet. Or any excuse that seems just in Chinese eyes and unjust in other eyes. Then you see a Chinese invasion of Australia as justified and legal? And the result being the spread of communism(the superior model in Chinese eyes, and the removal of the "insane" democratic leadership regime)... Would you find that OK? (if you dont they you are hipocrite for finding US actions ok)
    But the reason we went in was because of terrorism and instability of the region. Look, China supported N. Korea in the past, we did not invade China as much as MacArthur wanted to. The Soviets supported Vietnam and Nicaragua and Cuba, and we did not invade the USSR. The USA supported the Afghans and the USSR did not invade the USA. If anything, China attacked US troops in Korea without provocation, so your analogy doesn't work.

    I see that you really want your analogy to work so that I would be a hypocrite, but your analogy is flawed. I have explained this twice already.

    The things we learn in school for example.. It isnt just facts, there are loads of strange political indoctrination made into it. Example for the US, the whole allegiance and nationalism, surrounding the flag, the anthem and the nation.

    Example the west, where all education mentions exclusively democracy as the right model, and have no look into alternatives, except negative short looks.

    Thats just two tiny examples. We dont choose what to believe, we are made to believe. We can break free from it, but it certainly takes a lot.
    I teach. I teach Government. What we teach about government is all of the major systems. Totalitarianism, Democracy, Republic, Monarchy, Oligarchy, etc and we also teach the different economic spectrums with advantages and disavantages of each. We don't teach one as right and the others as wrong. Sorry you didn't realize this.

    We don't teach anything about the flag other than perhaps why there are 50 stars and 13 stripes.

    We teach what Nationalism is, but not that it is good or bad...

    Take a look at the curriculum and see for yourself...

    http://www.cde.ca.gov/be/st/ss/docum...socscistnd.pdf
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