View Poll Results: Did the US adapt the methods, foreign policy and state power of NAZI Germany.

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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Are you drawing the "majority is always right" card?

    Please also in the same time when you answer that, give me an indication about how many percent of a society is in the top 10% smart group of a society?
    At this web site, yes I am. It is a well known fact that the smarter people of our society debate on message boards. It is not everyone mind you, but most of the people here are a tad smarter than your average Joe.

    So yes I am for this website and so far you have provided not a shred on any evidence to support your ridicules claims.

    Smart people don't buy the garbage you are pushing.
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No you're not. You're looking at it from a purely right wing partisan view point in an attempt to compare this administration to the Nazi's while completely and utterly refusing to examine the situation pre-Obama administration and the similarities one might find there.

    You're not being objective, you're trying to do a hyper partisan hatchet job.
    Did I say this administration? If so then you have a point, where I am coming from is pretty much an inching of government expansion and the way it's been done, from a historical perspective, pertaining to both sides, and in no way am I trying to pin this on one congress or administration. I am not on the side of the U.S. bashers, I am looking at similarities. Now, with that out of the way, there are some similarities in their most fundamental aspects, but this is why I went on to say where things are different as well.

    I would love for people to take my point for what it is, and that is an erosion of certain fundamental principles of our country, and the willfull disregard for certain constitutional restraints that could be abused by this, that, or the other administration. Trust me, there is plenty of ammo to overtly bash the current resident of the white house, why would I need to stoop to partisan hackery?
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Who f***ing cares? Its a piece of fabric with painting on it man..




    I dont give a **** if you burn up a European flag right in front of me, nor a Norwegian flag or any other flag, I dont give a ****. Its a flag, and I am not an ultra nationalist nor ultra federalist.
    I am not sure he is saying that he cares... he is simply saying what the flag is. That is a symbol.

    Hell, you could burn pictures of my daughters in front of me, and if I had back-ups, I wouldn't care. I wouldn't care at all really if it was between them and the pictures... so what is your point? His point is clear, that you having a picture of the US flag being burned says more about you and your agenda more than his picture/avatar says about him, at least that is my take.

    Can people burn the simple fabric of a flag of the USA? Sure... the point is why? What is their deal. Destroying flags/symbols shows more hate and is far more telling than simply having a flag/symbol. What is hate really? It is fear. That is you Maximus. You are full of fear so you lash out.
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    At this web site, yes I am. It is a well known fact that the smarter people of our society debate on message boards. It is not everyone mind you, but most of the people here are a tad smarter than your average Joe.

    So yes I am for this website and so far you have provided not a shred on any evidence to support your ridicules claims.

    Smart people don't buy the garbage you are pushing.
    Hell, the only reason I voted like him is that I was looking at some basic programs and nothing else, it's embarrasing that I agree with the basic premise of his arguments, even though he's coming from a bash Americans perspective.
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Please point out one, just one conspiracy theory that has been true in the last 50 years?

    Not everyone, just the stupid people who believe in them.
    They arent called conspiracy theories anymore when they are proven true. Anyways, if you want to see daily and true conspiracy, I suggest you look into cases in the court of laws. A lot of conspiracy theories are proven right there, so is it in political/larger conspiracy life. In court its called proof and sentence, in politics, it becomes "fact".

    I wouldnt be able to tell you anyways. I am not that into conspiracies, but when someone says something like that I do always listen to it in a mind neutral way. I never for example said 911 is a conspiracy, nor do I deny that it could possibly be, I can argue both ways. You choose a side. I dont, I stand in between, like I do in just about everything. I dont buy things easily.

    In many cases I do like to support the few rather than adding to the mob.
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    You are making a suggestion that is nothing but opinionated and when asked for something tangible, you give nothing. I called you on it and then you do this psychologically warped "projection" thing claiming that I do what I label you as doing?

    Okee dokee!

    Ok then. You prove to me that the Iraq war was not about a geopolitical plan of the elite that was executed by manipulating the masses and the exploitation of the weaknesses of the democratic system.
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    What evidence do you have that any German soldiers were ever tried for crimes against their enemies? That is pure horse ****. Were some tried for treason against Hitler? Sure... but that is not the point and you know it, that happens here as well. WE are talking about illegal acts against Jews, Muslims, etc... Stay on point if you can.
    Is this the second time I have to write this? Ooh, yes it is. Killing jews was not illegal in NAZI Germany. So I never claimed soldiers was punished for it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I haven't done anything of the sort. Say the USA if you mean the USA, since I and most people in the USA are not responsible for all of the governments actions, what we do is voice our opinions and then hold the government accountable for its actions, get it straight already.
    How do you hold it accountable? I havent seen the Bush administration and the Republican party be held accountable. Nor have I seen Obama been held accountable for any of his election promises. And I am sure he will not be held accountable when he leaves office. There just isnt a process for it. The people have NO say in their government. All they get to do is make a hook for the Republican or Democratic party and their president in pres, con and sen elections.
    That isnt really people power.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That being said, we are fighting an accepted enemy of the ideals of democracy. This isn't debatable. Should the USA, Britain and others adopt different approaches? We sure could, but to blame the USA for all of this is retarded. The UK has gone along all on their own, they could stand up and say no if they wanted to, jsut as others did. Australia and New Zealand and others are also involved. On a smaller level? Sure, but they are also smaller nations.
    I never said the US was the only bad guy. Personally I am just as pissed of with the state of democracy in much of Europe as I am in the US. The war I do blame on the US, and the weakness of the UK I blame on the UK.

    So, you believe it would be okay if China fought the accepted enemies of communism when they are strong enough to bully everyone around? (which is just what you are saying is acceptable with US ideology)


    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    We also adopted Democracy from Greece and Republic from Rome and the 1689 English Bill of Rights and the Magna Carta from England and the 1789 Declaration of Human Rights from France and ideas from Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. What is your point? Not everything that the Nazis did was evil, they did turn around the economy of Germany with social programs and public works projects.
    My point is that all those things are broken, and that much of Europe and the US is now left with a democracy of sham, a democracy that doesnt work, and a political class of political careers and media savvy morons, and that there is no chance for the average man to get to power, and that there is no more say for the average man, or his mob.

    Hey, Germany did a lot of good things, they built massive infrastructure, but guess what, a lot of it with looted money, stolen in war.

    The US economy would have shrinked 20% without the continuous wars and the military industry and activity. Its almost become the engine of your economy. And that is a shame.

    I really liked the US I grew up with(80s,90s) by the way. That is the type of US I want.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    What evidence have I given that shows that I don't see that our two-party system is flawed? Especially when I have stated that it is flawed numerous times?
    Sorry. I just think its very important to emphasise it. Also multi party systems are flawed, because they turn into two sided politics eventually.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    The construct of our system is near perfect, its application has been hijacked by rich politicians. Big difference...
    No, it isnt. If it was then there would never had been a "political class". Career politicians discust me, may they burn in hell.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Yep, that is a big problem. I agree. So, how has the EU set up a perfect system that enables a poor kid from Liverpool a chance to be PM then? What can we learn from you and the godlike ways of the EU?
    Did I ever defend European democracy?

    I do like some parts of the EU system, just like I do like some parts of the US system, just like I do like some parts of the Chinese system, just like I do like some parts of communism, just like I do like some parts of socialism, just like I do like some parts of other systems. The problem we have is that everyone is obsessed with defending their system instead of coming up with a new hybrid mix together.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    What I meant by don't flatter yourself is that I am trying to bring you along, and if you think that I don't understand you... well...
    Dude, you are just as big a jackass as me. Just obviously in a different way.
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    They arent called conspiracy theories anymore when they are proven true. Anyways, if you want to see daily and true conspiracy, I suggest you look into cases in the court of laws. A lot of conspiracy theories are proven right there, so is it in political/larger conspiracy life. In court its called proof and sentence, in politics, it becomes "fact".
    You are talking about conspiracy's on a grand scale, not the small everyday conspiracy's.

    You will not find what you are talking about in any court.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I wouldnt be able to tell you anyways. I am not that into conspiracies, but when someone says something like that I do always listen to it in a mind neutral way. I never for example said 911 is a conspiracy, nor do I deny that it could possibly be, I can argue both ways. You choose a side. I dont, I stand in between, like I do in just about everything. I dont buy things easily.

    In many cases I do like to support the few rather than adding to the mob.
    I don't know man, it sounds like you are afraid to take a stand on taking a stand. I mean look at what you have posted here? You talk about our government is this or that, then you say here you don't take a side? You would rather believe Pravda (A known biased and government propaganda publication) over something like the BBC or CBS news?

    OK.
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Is this the second time I have to write this? Ooh, yes it is. Killing jews was not illegal in NAZI Germany. So I never claimed soldiers was punished for it.
    Then what is the point if bringing it up.

    How do you hold it accountable? I havent seen the Bush administration and the Republican party be held accountable. Nor have I seen Obama been held accountable for any of his election promises. And I am sure he will not be held accountable when he leaves office. There just isnt a process for it. The people have NO say in their government. All they get to do is make a hook for the Republican or Democratic party and their president in pres, con and sen elections. That isnt really people power.
    It is not that they can't be held accountable, it is that the "people" are apathetic and let the politicians get away with crap.

    I never said the US was the only bad guy. Personally I am just as pissed of with the state of democracy in much of Europe as I am in the US. The war I do blame on the US, and the weakness of the UK I blame on the UK.
    Good

    So, you believe it would be okay if China fought the accepted enemies of communism when they are strong enough to bully everyone around? (which is just what you are saying is acceptable with US ideology)
    China is free to fight any group or nation that attacks it. The US is far from just running around attacking people. There are groups within China that are fighting and if they are being backed by Turkmanistan or whatever, then China is free to stop it.

    My point is that all those things are broken, and that much of Europe and the US is now left with a democracy of sham, a democracy that doesnt work, and a political class of political careers and media savvy morons, and that there is no chance for the average man to get to power, and that there is no more say for the average man, or his mob.
    The system is perfect, the people just don't care.

    Hey, Germany did a lot of good things, they built massive infrastructure, but guess what, a lot of it with looted money, stolen in war.

    The US economy would have shrinked 20% without the continuous wars and the military industry and activity. Its almost become the engine of your economy. And that is a shame.
    OK

    I really liked the US I grew up with(80s,90s) by the way. That is the type of US I want.


    Sorry. I just think its very important to emphasise it. Also multi party systems are flawed, because they turn into two sided politics eventually.
    Yep, and the people need to stay vigilant.

    No, it isnt. If it was then there would never had been a "political class". Career politicians discust me, may they burn in hell.
    If you look at the Constitution adn the Bill of Rights, they are airtight. The people don't hold the politicians accountable, they could. We could all go to town meetings and watch C-Span and write the politicians about our demands and if they didn't follow through, they would be voted out. If this actually happened instead of the majority of morons out there believing the politicians and voting along party lines no matter what, they you would see the near perfect system that I understand and love.

    Did I ever defend European democracy?
    Maybe not, can't recall.

    I do like some parts of the EU system, just like I do like some parts of the US system, just like I do like some parts of the Chinese system, just like I do like some parts of communism, just like I do like some parts of socialism, just like I do like some parts of other systems. The problem we have is that everyone is obsessed with defending their system instead of coming up with a new hybrid mix together.
    I think that our system is the best, and that is me. I think that all people and all right are protected best. You avoid the socially inept and lazy that would sloth about in Communism. The one problem is the apathetic people in democracy. Those that let corporations buy politicians and not hold them accountable.

    Dude, you are just as big a jackass as me. Just obviously in a different way.
    I am probably a bigger jackass buddy...

    The difference is that I am also extremely balanced and, IMO, more open and less angry than you, that is all.

    Ok then. You prove to me that the Iraq war was not about a geopolitical plan of the elite that was executed by manipulating the masses and the exploitation of the weaknesses of the democratic system.
    The problem with this whold thing is that it was a geopolitical plan of the extreme right wing elite, but that doesn't negate the very real threat presented from Radical Islamists either. This is not a black/white issue, and that is too much for black/white thinkers like you. That is not an insult, just an observation. I think that everything is bound and interwoven, many don't. Many to most have an opinion and can't let go of it. It has to be this. It has to be that.
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    Re: Do you see any similarity with the US now(and past) to NAZI Germany?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You are talking about conspiracy's on a grand scale, not the small everyday conspiracy's.
    You have to talk to someone else than me to hear a great defense and argumentation for "conspiracy theories", which I like to call "alternative views/possibilities".

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I don't know man, it sounds like you are afraid to take a stand on taking a stand.
    I only take stands that I strongly support. Right now, in this time and age, my biggest worry is that our democracy is going to hell in Europe and America.
    I believe it is necessary for America especially, but also European nations, not so much the EU(because they are already doing it), to reform their political systems, remove the idolism, the clown elections, the money from politics, the special interest groups, the individuals who represent power, the political class and so fourth, and assure that power will always be with the people, and that governments will always work FOR the people, not only of their nation, but for all human kind, because all are people, individuals worth just as much as you and me. I believe we must make our political system fail safe against corruption, and therefor reform the ways governance work and is organized.
    I also believe the only way forward for human kind if more cooperation and better organization. I have no belief in old style geopolitics and power flexing.

    Those values and everything surrounding that is what I fight for and believe in.

    I believe Europe and the US must focus on keeping the good about ourselves, and making us better, and spread the good concept by peace and incentives, not war, threats, fear and force. Nor do we have to use our people as tools, and scare the **** our of them, and place them under surveilance and paranoia government to be able to achieve attractive goals.



    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I mean look at what you have posted here? You talk about our government is this or that, then you say here you don't take a side?
    But your government is broken. That is the problem, so is the governments and way of governance and the methods of democracy in the US, Norway, France, Italy, the UK, Belgium and many other European democracies. We need to fix that, not spend our hard earned money and change our societies to make war abroad.
    I take the side of good, and I believe the US in the 90s was a undescribably more positive global force of good than it is now, now it has become a force of global evil.

    I also believe reactions are counterprodutive, that the actions of the US have created MORE terrorism, and will lead to more hatred and terrorism in the future. And I dont want that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You would rather believe Pravda (A known biased and government propaganda publication) over something like the BBC or CBS news?

    OK.
    No, I dont believe exclusively in anyone, nor overwhelmingly in anyones sides or ideas. I choose to listen to everyone, and I need different perspectives to find our what is the right stand to take. I dont judge. I also watch BBC(which I trust most of English news channels for neutral media, except euronews half hour briefing news without opinions). I also watcha bunch of other stuff and read different magazines and books.
    I believe the wider perspectives that you read, and the more the opinions you know, the better you will be able to take a proper stand without bias, prejudice and ignorance.

    So, yes, I also watch Russia today and Fox news, Chinese central TV and so fourth.
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