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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by gabehwkns View Post
    Aren't you already paying for all the uninsured people who go to emergency rooms without insurance?
    Yeah, that should stop.

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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Absolutely...its not difficult at all. Police are a function of government because we decided that they were.
    No, police are a function of government because laws are meaningless without an enforcement mechanism.

    Duh.

    Health care isn't a function of government because stealing isn't a proper function of government.

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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Nah - single payer health care is nothing more than another government dependency. I heard a stat tonight that 58% of people in America are dependent upon the government in some way or another (SS, State, Local, Federal employee, Military, etc..) but I can't validate it - but true or not, this is just another way to entrench more dependency.

    How about this: We kill the insurance system all together, people buy Catastrophic Health Insurance that is only used in obviously, catastrophic circumstances, and when you need to see the doctor, go to the hospital emergency room you pay the amount needed. I think back in the 70's my mom paid 25 bucks per visit to the doctor for me and my sisters. We didn't whip out the health insurance card because the way we use it.. it's not "insurance". What do you think would happen if every time you needed to get your car serviced with tires or an oil change - you placed a claim to your auto insurance company? Think it would go up? Same thing happening with "health insurance"...

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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by gabehwkns View Post
    I don't think it is either. Dennis Kucinich, perhaps one of the biggest, if not the biggest, supporters of single-payer not for profit health care is saying now is not the time. One wonders when it will be though.
    Never, of course.

    It's not the government's job to provide health care. Read the Constitution.

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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    How about this: We kill the insurance system all together, people buy Catastrophic Health Insurance that is only used in obviously, catastrophic circumstances, and when you need to see the doctor, go to the hospital emergency room you pay the amount needed. I think back in the 70's my mom paid 25 bucks per visit to the doctor for me and my sisters. We didn't whip out the health insurance card because the way we use it.. it's not "insurance". What do you think would happen if every time you needed to get your car serviced with tires or an oil change - you placed a claim to your auto insurance company? Think it would go up? Same thing happening with "health insurance"...
    There's 2 closely related flaws in this plan.

    1. Everyone has a different definition of 'catastrophic circumstances'. Is a heart attack catastrophic? What about diabetes (which is likely to cost far more in the long term than the heart attack)?

    2. If you're poor, even something relatively minor like an emergency room visit for a broken bone can be 'catastrophic' if you don't have the money to pay the bill.
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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    There's 2 closely related flaws in this plan.

    1. Everyone has a different definition of 'catastrophic circumstances'. Is a heart attack catastrophic? What about diabetes (which is likely to cost far more in the long term than the heart attack)?
    Well, the insurance company - a private one - will define what catastrophic means. And the buyer can choose their definition or another company's definition.

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    2. If you're poor, even something relatively minor like an emergency room visit for a broken bone can be 'catastrophic' if you don't have the money to pay the bill.
    That's motivation to not stay poor. What happens is, those who cannot afford it go to clinics and or get charity.

    Let's just be clear... we lived in this world already. Your parents and grandparents lived in this world without health insurance. We seemed to survive, we can survive again. If you want to help the poor, you pay for them.

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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Never, of course.

    It's not the government's job to provide health care. Read the Constitution.
    Are you sure you've read it? Because by the way I read it, providing health care to its citizens is very much within the powers of our government (specifically congress).

    Quote Originally Posted by The US Constitution Article I Section 8
    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States
    Emphasis mine.

    Providing health care could certainly be argued to be 'providing for the general welfare' of the United States.
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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Let's just be clear... we lived in this world already. Your parents and grandparents lived in this world without health insurance. We seemed to survive, we can survive again. If you want to help the poor, you pay for them.
    I'm sorry, but "it used to be that way and people survived it" isn't a very compelling argument.

    At one point women couldn't vote and people survived it.

    At one point blacks were slaves and people survived it.

    At one point we were a British colony and people survived it.

    At one point 'the humours of the body' were considered the height of medical care and people survived it.

    Should we bring all those things back too?
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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    NO. Less government, not more.
    I agree with Black.

    I am not against our government providing health care in theory and I feel that many that are against the single payer option may agree. However I am against a single payer system because it is very doubtful that our government could ever provide it in a efficient and effective way. It is far more likely it will become bloated and corrupt and end up harming the country just as many other projects have done.

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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Never, of course.

    It's not the government's job to provide health care. Read the Constitution.
    I'm certainly not opposed to making it so.

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