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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Obviously, this isn't true. We've already discussed non-profit organizations and the fact that they continue to provide services despite not having a profit motive.
    Yes. How many of them provide health insurance?

    I don't think it's a bad word, and I fully support a profit-based health-care industry. I just don't think there needs to be a profit-based insurance industry as well. It seems like a needless middleman.
    I have long been a proponent of eliminating -all- third-party plans and have people directly pay for the health care goods and services they receive, so I would argue that there doesnt -need- to be an insurance industry at all.

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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    When profits are more important to a company than (a) providing the service it is supposed to provide and (b) the lives of its customers, it sure as hell is a bad word.
    Really? Let's think about this for a moment. Let's think about coastal guards. We may say that coastal guards shouldn't concern themselves about profits, they should care about saving people.

    Still the profit coastal guards are providing a much better service than the non-profit guards. Why? Because the non-profit guards don't really care that much about getting new customers. This means that they drop inspections and fire bad employees. However, a profit organization do concern about it, because more customers means better profits. Therefore they will fire bad employees, and they will inspect their employees to check that they are doing their job.

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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I have long been a proponent of eliminating -all- third-party plans and have people directly pay for the health care goods and services they receive, so I would argue that there doesnt -need- to be an insurance industry at all.
    My only problem with this is that I don't think that people who can't afford to pay should be denied care (nor should they receive sub-standard care). Even if you treat everyone and require those that can't pay right away to pay it off later, some won't be able to. To me, a single-payer system (with the single payer being a non-profit entity) is a good compromise.
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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    My only problem with this is that I don't think that people who can't afford to pay should be denied care (nor should they receive sub-standard care).
    Then you have two choices:
    -Force the health care providers to provide their goods and services for free
    -Force everyone to pay for the health care of everyone else.

    I oppose both, equally, and for the same reason.

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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No one's talking about "stealing" anyones money.
    You're suddenly claiming that my taxes aren't going to be raised to finance an unconstitutional health care scam?

    Since it is unconstitutional, the government isn't allowed to do it.

    If the government does do it, it's do it in violation of the law.

    Since it will "tax" me in violation of the law, that money is being stolen.

    Unlike many around here, I use words correctly.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    ..any more than government exists to provide police and fire protection.
    The police are a legitimate arm of government.

    Fire departments are a different matter and should be privatized.

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    Do you view that as "stealing" your money.
    Figure it out.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Would you advocate for a system where people don't get fire protection or police response unless they buy-into that protection?
    Property owners would be required to carry fire insurance for properties, they should be able to pick their own carriers.

    Police are a function of government.

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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    When profits are more important to a company than (a) providing the service it is supposed to provide and (b) the lives of its customers, it sure as hell is a bad word.
    ALL companies recognize that profits are essential providing the services being sold.

    No profit equals no growth equals no investors equals no company.

    But you must be really really proud of General Motors for losing ONLY a billion and a half last quarter, right?

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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    My only problem with this is that I don't think that people who can't afford to pay should be denied care (nor should they receive sub-standard care).
    If you feel that way, there's an obvious solution.

    YOU send money to a charity for destitute hospitalization.

    If there's enough generous people like you, there's no need for an unconstitutional economy busting health care scam, and there's no need to rob people to make people pay for what they don't want.

    Everyone's happy all the way around, that way.

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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    When has our government ever operated a national healthcare system?
    What, you've never heard of Medicare? The system that the government will have completely bankrupted in less than a decade?

    Beyond this, if you believe our government is so astoundingly incompetent, it must follow that you support disbanding our military, tearing up our interstate highway and rail systems, removing ourselves from international trade/monetary systems, etc.
    To be honest, some of that might not be bad ideas. We spend more on our military than the next 13 countries on the list combined. We have an absurd amount of waste and our infrastructure is falling apart due to mismanagement. I'm sure the private sector could do much of it much better than the government has.
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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Police are a function of government.
    The police exist to help protect people's rights. Health care does the same, specifically their right to life (as in 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness'). Ergo, health care is a valid function of the government as well.
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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    The police exist to help protect people's rights. Health care does the same, specifically their right to life (as in 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness'). Ergo, health care is a valid function of the government as well.
    The police exist to enforce the law, not protect your rights.
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