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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    This pretty much sums up my feelings. 'For profit' health insurance is inefficient. Everyone involved would pay less if the company didn't need to show a profit every quarter.
    Without the profit motive, the compnay (and then, the service it provides) doesnt exist.

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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    This pretty much sums up my feelings. 'For profit' health insurance is inefficient. Everyone involved would pay less if the company didn't need to show a profit every quarter.

    I'd rather it wasn't run by the government though, but unfortunately I don't see a lot of other options.
    Actually, I will say the opposite. Without profits, companies are inefficient. that's because they have nothing to work for, because they are not competing against anyone. In reality profits is only a small part of the enormous sums transfered in the company every year. It won't make a difference, efficiency is the key.

    The problem with the US health care system is that we are not getting competition. It's like taking the worst parts of each system and putting them together. To get the competition we need, we will need to make users liable for some of the fees. Then people will start concerning about the prices, which will make the health industry compete making their service more efficient.
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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Without the profit motive, the compnay (and then, the service it provides) doesnt exist.
    Uh oh, I better stop my charitable donations. Most are to non-profit organizations, but according to you, those don't exist, so someone must be ripping me off.
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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Uh oh, I better stop my charitable donations. Most are to non-profit organizations, but according to you, those don't exist, so someone must be ripping me off.
    I never stated that NPOs dont exist.
    But, the companies that provide health insurance are not NPOs.

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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It's completely immoral to be a socialist.

    That doesn't stop you people, though.

    Explain why you keep more of the money you earned than the national poverty level. Explain why you greedily refuse to contribute your ill gotten wealth to help the poor and disadvantaged.

    Then come back and explain why you can't volutnarily donate to support your cause but claim it's moral to steal my money instead.
    No one's talking about "stealing" anyones money...any more than government exists to provide police and fire protection. Do you view that as "stealing" your money.
    Would you advocate for a system where people don't get fire protection or police response unless they buy-into that protection?
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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I never stated that NPOs dont exist.
    But, the companies that provide health insurance are not NPOs.
    Exactly, that's what I want to change.
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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Exactly, that's what I want to change.
    And then, without the profit motive, the compnay (and then, the service it provides) doesnt exist.

    Profit isnt a bad word. It creates competition, which lowers costs and improves quality.

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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Profit isnt a bad word.
    When profits are more important to a company than (a) providing the service it is supposed to provide and (b) the lives of its customers, it sure as hell is a bad word.

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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    When profits are more important to a company than (a) providing the service it is supposed to provide and (b) the lives of its customers, it sure as hell is a bad word.
    Can you show that either of these things are the case?

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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    And then, without the profit motive, the compnay (and then, the service it provides) doesnt exist.
    Obviously, this isn't true. We've already discussed non-profit organizations and the fact that they continue to provide services despite not having a profit motive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Profit isnt a bad word. It creates competition, which lowers costs and improves quality.
    I don't think it's a bad word, and I fully support a profit-based health-care industry. I just don't think there needs to be a profit-based insurance industry as well. It seems like a needless middleman.
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