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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    The Tenth Amendment would not stop the exercise of the implicit power in the General Welfare Clause.
    No.

    The Tenth Amendment is a few words on a piece of paper.

    What's needed to stop Congressional abuse of the general welfare clause has been proven to be angry mobs and the Second Amendment.


    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    You are basing that statement on an interpretation of the ambiguous General Welfare Clause and case law is against you.
    Arguing from authority, a common logical fallacy employed by wishers, not thinkers.

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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    If congressional power is unlimited, explain the existence of Article 1.
    Deception, boo, deception.

    If the enumerated powers were supposed to exhausted, why would they have granted Congress unlimited power over something as ambiguous as the "general welfare?"

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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    If congressional power is unlimited, explain the existence of... the Tenth Amendment.
    The Amendments were calculated to amuse, or rather to deceive you, boo. Thomas Tudor Tucker said so.

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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Congress can only enact laws that allow it to execute the specifically enumerated powers.
    Unlimited power over the general welfare is one of the specifically enumerated powers granted to Congress, hoss. "General Welfare" is an ambiguous term that could mean almost anything.

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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Well, I guess we have run out of comments to make about it. I don't think your argument stands. You have to get it in front of the SC to have a decision in your favor. That depends on having jurists of the strict constructionist bias.
    No. One does not have to find case law or otherwise cite remote authority to determine what the meaning of the Constitution is. It's clearly written in the Constitution itself.

    The Constitution does not allow, for example, federal funding of public education....authorization for it not only cannot be found in the Constitution, but Jefferson himself admitted as much in his Third Inaugural. He requested Congress amend the Constitution to add this provision. Congress refused both the Amendment request and funding for public schools.

    That such funding now occurs does not imply that it suddenly became constituitonal to do so. no. The Constitution still lacks wording authorizing federal to financing of schools. The is allowed only because the people have refused to hold their government to the law embodied by the Constitution.

    There are numerous examples of the failure of the people to demand the Constitution be obeyed. Not one of those cases implies the illegal actions become Constitutional at any time. They all demonstrate the decay of the pioneer spirit that made this sad corpse of a free nation food for maggots.

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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    Unlimited power over the general welfare is one of the specifically enumerated powers granted to Congress, hoss. "General Welfare" is an ambiguous term that could mean almost anything.
    Sorry, idiots continually reasserting already dismissed points don't get prizes.

    You're still wrong.

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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    Deception, boo, deception.

    If the enumerated powers were supposed to exhausted, why would they have granted Congress unlimited power over something as ambiguous as the "general welfare?"
    Yes, the rest of us know your use of circular reasoning is indicative of nothing more than your intellectual bankruptcy, and you're probably not even aware that you're being circular, if we're generous enough to believe you even know what a circular argument is.

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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Nope.

    Guess what?

    That either was, or was not, the first time the Constitution was violated.

    What's yer point?

    Let us now proceed to consider the rules, by which the Constitution ought to be interpreted; for, if these rules are correctly laid down, it will save us from many embarrassments in examining and defining its powers. Much of the difficulty, which has arisen in all the public discussions on this subject, has had its origin in the want of some uniform rules of interpretation, expressly or tacitly agreed on by the disputants. Let us, then, endeavour to ascertain, what are the true rules of interpretation applicable to the constitution; so that we may have some fixed standard, by which to measure its powers, and limit its prohibitions, and guard its obligations, and enforce its securities of our rights and liberties.

    --Joseph Story

    Joseph Story: Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States: Book 3 Chapter 5

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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    ...the meaning of the Constitution is...clearly written in the Constitution itself.

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    Re: Do you support single-payer health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The Tenth Amendment is a few words on a piece of paper.
    Ambiguous words, to boot.

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