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Thread: Do you agree w/ my position on mandated health care?

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    Re: Do you agree w/ my position on mandated health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    That our society functons at all negates any argument that it is necessary.


    OUR society would not. OUR society would collapse.
    Explain the difference.

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    Re: Do you agree w/ my position on mandated health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Explain the difference.

    Between what?

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    Re: Do you agree w/ my position on mandated health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post

    Between what?
    Sorry, you claim education is a necessity for a functioning society, but healthcare is not. We need a healthy, educated citizenry. So I was asking you to explain both why education is a necessity to a functioning society and also why healthcare is not. Genuine question. I may have to change my mind again.

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    Re: Do you agree w/ my position on mandated health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Explain the difference.
    Eliminating all those fast food chains would destroy the economy.

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    Re: Do you agree w/ my position on mandated health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Sorry, you claim education is a necessity for a functioning society, but healthcare is not.
    Heathcare, as in the context of the current national discussion, and as you would have it. The fact that society functions now and that we do not have that sort of health care at present means that health care is -not- necessary for society to function.

    If something exists absent a particular component, then said component is not necessary for the existance of that something.
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    Re: Do you agree w/ my position on mandated health care?

    Anyone bother to explain to the socialists just exactly why their Messiah wants to nationalize the nation's health care industry?

    Well, it's not about making people healthier. You people should grow up and realize this now. That's the smokescreen.

    It's about jobs.

    Right now, those cubical dwellers working for the insurance companies aren't part of SEIU. Once the Messiah destroys competition in the marketplace and forces everyone to be serviced by the federal government, those clerks are going to be unemployed, but the government is going to need a HUUUUGE number of clerks, GOONION clerks, probably twice as many as are currently in the insurance industry, to process the mountains of paperwork Nationally Socialized Health Compulsion Board will have to process.

    SEIU, you know, the goonions that attack Americans for opposing Messiah Care, will see their membership swelling.


    THAT is what this is all about.

    POWER.

    Read your Orwell, folks.

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    Ummm....I meant "cubicle dwellers", not "cubical dwellers".
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    Re: Do you agree w/ my position on mandated health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Sorry, you claim education is a necessity for a functioning society, but healthcare is not. We need a healthy, educated citizenry.
    We HAVE a healthy citizenry.

    Educated is debatable, given the number of people that are stupid enough to support socialism, but not germane to this discussion, except to point out that the US education system, government funded and goonion run, is one of hte worst in the industrialized world.

    Clearly compulsory doesn't mean better.

    And education isn't necessary to a functioning society, societies with educated people function better.

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    Re: Do you agree w/ my position on mandated health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Also, doctors and hospitals should not be required to accept any "opt out" patients without ability to pay verification. IMO, this kind of thing will save the US more tax dollars than anything I've seen presented in health care reform.
    I agree with almost everything except the one aspect that always bothers me...and I apologize if this has already been brought up.

    If the person was in the hospital for life threatening injuries and did not have insurance would you suggest they be put out to die on the curb? Or should they be treated enough to save their life and then be done with it? Of course many hospitals have pro bono budgets built from donations which could be used in cases like this. But i doubt this would occur in every hospital.

    It also doesn't sit well with me that health care costs are so inflated that insurance is required for even the most routine procedures. Why exactly does it cost $10,000 to use an MRI machine for 15 minutes? Why are doctors paid $5,000 to perform a 30 minute minor surgery?

    My son's birth, which was completely natural and there were no issues, would have cost nearly $7,000 without insurance.
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    Re: Do you agree w/ my position on mandated health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    If the person was in the hospital for life threatening injuries and did not have insurance would you suggest they be put out to die on the curb?
    The hospital should have a choice -- treat the patient knowing it might not ever be compensated, or refuse treatment. Otherwise, you're -forcing- someone to pay for good and services received by someone else.

    It also doesn't sit well with me that health care costs are so inflated that insurance is required for even the most routine procedures. Why exactly does it cost $10,000 to use an MRI machine for 15 minutes? Why are doctors paid $5,000 to perform a 30 minute minor surgery?
    This is a function of the consumer being insulated from the costs of the goods and services he received. If YOU had to pay for your tests, you'd be able to pay less, and be willing to shop the competition and get the best price. Competition brings lower costs and better quality.

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    Re: Do you agree w/ my position on mandated health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The hospital should have a choice -- treat the patient knowing it might not ever be compensated, or refuse treatment. Otherwise, you're -forcing- someone to pay for good and services received by someone else.
    I agree with that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This is a function of the consumer being insulated from the costs of the goods and services he received. If YOU had to pay for your tests, you'd be able to pay less, and be willing to shop the competition and get the best price. Competition brings lower costs and better quality.
    I see it more as a function to increase prices high enough that the consumers can't afford them on their own and are forced to utilize private insurance companies. If health care costs were driven by the consumer markets the costs could still be affordable as well as profitable.

    It's a whole other topic but this bothers me the most in the health care discussion. Maybe I'll start a thread.
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