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    Re: Do you agree w/ my position on mandated health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    That won't work though. Most people, when faced with the choice of dying or going to the ER regardless of whether they can pay the bills or not are going to say damn the consequences and go to the ER. The economics of supply and demand don't work so well when people's lives are on the line.
    The primary problem with this line of thought is that the majority of ER visits are not life and death, but are after-hours clinic services for people who (in many cases)don't want to go to a physician's office, because they don't want to pay.

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    Re: Do you agree w/ my position on mandated health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by vvx View Post
    In fact, it's less unfair because a portion of that cost can be collected from tax on the very people who don't pay their medical bills right now.
    I would estimate that a large portion of those people currently don't pay any (or pay very little) federal income taxes.

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    Re: Do you agree w/ my position on mandated health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The primary problem with this line of thought is that the majority of ER visits are not life and death, but are after-hours clinic services for people who (in many cases)don't want to go to a physician's office, because they don't want to pay.
    Number wise I'm sure you're right. I'm not so sure about money-wise though. The people going in just because they don't want to pay to see a doctor aren't really racking up much of a charge (I think the average ER visit is under a thousand dollars). Someone that goes in with a genuine life-threatening injury/illness may end up with a bill for tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars.
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    Re: Do you agree w/ my position on mandated health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    The people going in just because they don't want to pay to see a doctor aren't really racking up much of a charge (I think the average ER visit is under a thousand dollars). Someone that goes in with a genuine life-threatening injury/illness may end up with a bill for tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars.
    Yes, but a doctor's office visit would be much less than a thousand dollars, and many people can't afford a thousand. You can go to a local minor emergency clinic in this area, with an uncomplicated, easily treatable problem (ear infection, bladder infection, etc) for 70 dollars. If you have, say, 10 non-emergent problems in an ER for every true emergency, the ER visits that are not being paid by those treated really adds up, and the cost is being shifted by way of increasing medical costs for those who have insurance. Granted, there is no easy solution, but the ones being proposed by our politicians won't work from what I can see.

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    Re: Do you agree w/ my position on mandated health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Yes, but a doctor's office visit would be much less than a thousand dollars, and many people can't afford a thousand. You can go to a local minor emergency clinic in this area, with an uncomplicated, easily treatable problem (ear infection, bladder infection, etc) for 70 dollars. If you have, say, 10 non-emergent problems in an ER for every true emergency, the ER visits that are not being paid by those treated really adds up, and the cost is being shifted by way of increasing medical costs for those who have insurance. Granted, there is no easy solution, but the ones being proposed by our politicians won't work from what I can see.
    Right, but what I'm saying is that the people that come in with truly life-threatening emergencies and can't pay stick the hospital a lot more than the ones with minor problems. If one guy comes in after having a major heart attack and can't pay, he might cost the hospital $50,000 (on the low end). That's as much as 50 people coming in for a minor problem. It's also much more likely that measures taken to force him to pay (i.e. wage garnishment, threat of jail time, etc.) will be less likely to work, since he's less likely to be able to pay off the full cost in the rest of his lifetime.

    That's one of the reasons I think everyone should have health insurance for truly life-threatening situations, even if it means the government has to provide it at our expense.
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    Re: Do you agree w/ my position on mandated health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by vvx View Post
    That's my point - the current system already forces me to pay for the healthcare of others.
    Then doing anything other than ceasing this practice makes no sense.

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    Re: Do you agree w/ my position on mandated health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Then doing anything other than ceasing this practice makes no sense.
    Yeah, just let people suffer, and the standard of living in the US will surly increase
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Do you agree w/ my position on mandated health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Then doing anything other than ceasing this practice makes no sense.
    How exactly do you plan to go about stopping that practice then?
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    Re: Do you agree w/ my position on mandated health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    How exactly do you plan to go about stopping that practice then?
    His response depends entirely on whether Rush discusses the notion in his show today.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Do you agree w/ my position on mandated health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    How exactly do you plan to go about stopping that practice then?
    Simple. No longer force health care providers to provide their goods and servces regardlss of the patient's ability to pay.

    They may CHOOSE to do so, but they then assume the risk of doing so w/o compensation.

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