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Thread: Has the average person become stupider in last 5000 years?

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    Re: Has the average person become stupider in last 5000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    What I talking about is "Stupider"......

    Normally I don't comment on people's grammar or spelling....but I wasn't sure if the title were meant to be ironic....rather than saying "Has the average person become more stupid in the last 500 years".....
    Wow, very interesting point... NOT.
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    Re: Has the average person become stupider in last 5000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Brain size does not indicate intelligence level. That's a pretty basic tennet of neuropsychology. Brain complexity and organization determines intelligence
    There is no proof of that. Human knowledge in neuroscience is ridiculously primitive. More brain mass could indicate more intelligence, and a proof of this could be animals brains, disproof could be large animals, like the whales, but then again, they need huge brains to operate their huge complex bodies.

    Anyways. The neuroscience that says we only use 10% of the brain is wrong(probably). I believe we use most, just in a far more advanced way than we(human science) are able to comprehend and measure.
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    Re: Has the average person become stupider in last 5000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I meant to add in my last post, that "stupider" is indeed a proper word.
    A problem with todays society which could be certain proof that we are dumber on average, is the lack of focus. When debating a hot political topic for example, many people get hung up in completely irrelevant things, often thing that are more "fun and pleasurable" than the real issue.
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    Re: Has the average person become stupider in last 5000 years?

    There is no correlation between brain size and intelligence within a species. A very broad comparison can be drawn between different species using the average ratio of brain/body mass for each. Whale brains are large, but not relative to their size. Brain complexity is another factor.

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    Re: Has the average person become stupider in last 5000 years?

    No. People have always and will be people. Well, unless evolution decides to take that step and make us superhuman. Essentially, always be skeptical that somehow your time is vastly different from earlier eras.
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    Re: Has the average person become stupider in last 5000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Hand the average aborigne a calculator and see if he can figure out how to balance a check book. Hand him the jack and lug wrench and see how long it takes him to change the tire on the jeep. And lets not pretend your average aborigine isn't loaded to the gills with ideology aka religious superstitions.

    Take your average city dweller, give him a stick and tell him to dig for kasava roots, and he'll have at least a general idea of what to do. Give him some vines and tell him he needs to make a fishing net, and he'll figure it out.

    Don't confuse the aborigine's culturally transmitted behaviors and knowledge with his native intelligence, which is, on the average, no different than the city boy's.
    Wow you can put down what it takes to survive in a untamed environment, put down the complexity of the skills they use to get by and build their homes etc. It would take him about 2 seconds to figure out the jeeps tires never having seen one before. He would be stronger than the average man, and his greater use of manual tools would mean he could faster learn and employ our tools once they were demonstrated to him. Try and teach a 'city' boy to collect honey with handmade ropes and a handful of burning grass to scare away the bees. Not gonna happen. Lets not pretend like your average fool isn't loaded with superstitions here in the west, we call them teabaggers.

    My contention is that literature shows that if you were to teach an aborigine how to balance a checkbook he would catch on faster than the western boy. They are extremely bright people. Niel Diamond is one example of an anthropologist who has experience with this.

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    Re: Has the average person become stupider in last 5000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Wow you can put down what it takes to survive in a untamed environment, put down the complexity of the skills they use to get by and build their homes etc. It would take him about 2 seconds to figure out the jeeps tires never having seen one before. He would be stronger than the average man, and his greater use of manual tools would mean he could faster learn and employ our tools once they were demonstrated to him. Try and teach a 'city' boy to collect honey with handmade ropes and a handful of burning grass to scare away the bees. Not gonna happen. Lets not pretend like your average fool isn't loaded with superstitions here in the west, we call them teabaggers.
    Great point. Huge thanks.
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    Re: Has the average person become stupider in last 5000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    It seems to me that the human being of the hunting gathering society would need to have more generalized intelligence and definitely more physical stamina than a human being in an agricultural society.
    A human being in an agricultural society would need to have more generalized intelligence and definately more physical stamina than a human being in a McDonald's society.
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    Re: Has the average person become stupider in last 5000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    A human being in an agricultural society would need to have more generalized intelligence and definately more physical stamina than a human being in a McDonald's society.
    It really depends on the agricultural society and the type of grain they are harvesting. If the grain suits the land is hardy, requires little maintenance and is resistant to insects, weather, etc. it takes alot less work.

    Guns Germs and Steel (the book) is replete (about half its contents) with grains and the effect of them on the societies that harvested them.

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    Re: Has the average person become stupider in last 5000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    It really depends on the agricultural society and the type of grain they are harvesting. If the grain suits the land is hardy, requires little maintenance and is resistant to insects, weather, etc. it takes alot less work.

    Guns Germs and Steel (the book) is replete (about half its contents) with grains and the effect of them on the societies that harvested them.
    What intelligence and stamina does it take to get food at McDonalds?
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    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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