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    idea What should we do in Afghanistan?

    Keeping in mind the consequences of pulling out, yet having to deal with a corrupt government in Kabul if we stay, plus the ever present sanctuary in Pakistan, what should we do?

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    Re: What should we do in Afghanistan?

    Get out and focus on defense here, not offense there.

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    Re: What should we do in Afghanistan?

    I wish "change strategy" was an option...

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    Re: What should we do in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    I wish "change strategy" was an option...
    What would you change it to? Aren't we doing COIN now?

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    Re: What should we do in Afghanistan?

    I am afraid that there are no good options when it comes to Afghanistan, only options that are less bad. With the problems with the government there, and the cost of operations, being there is not a good thing for us. However, leaving would have a huge cost in both the message sent and in losing influence in that region, and in the dangers of leaving the Taliban unchecked. No matter what we do, we are going to end up regretting it I fear.

    I, nor probably any one else here, has enough information to make a truly informed decision, but if I had to make one now with what I do know, I would go with the pull troops out of the country and do strikes with the Air Force and Navy as desired option. If there are no good options, go with the one with fewest US deaths I guess.
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    Re: What should we do in Afghanistan?

    Whatever you do its another Vietnam.

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    Re: What should we do in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    What would you change it to? Aren't we doing COIN now?
    We are doing COIN now, or at least some version of it since we don't have enough troops. The problem is that we don't have the troops to adequately conduct COIN operations in an appropriate manner. We are half-assing it now, and with an additional five brigades, we would still be half-assing it.

    Gotta switch to C-T, it's really the only option at this point.

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    Re: What should we do in Afghanistan?

    I think we should increase troop levels with a major caveat. We should set up an intensive program to teach the Arabic. Maybe increase by 30k, but send 10k of them to a language camp for the first 6 months, then rotate them in and rotate another 10k troops out of the conflict into the language camp, and continue on with that until we have a large portion of the troops over there speaking the language. Also, I wouldn't give them any more troops until they come up with a clear plan for how we are going to get the country rebuilt asap. I'd do the same thing with Iraq. I'd rather spend twice as much to support actually rebuilding the infrastructure and get out in half the time than stick around militarily waiting for those buildings to rebuild themselves.

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    Re: What should we do in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I think we should increase troop levels with a major caveat. We should set up an intensive program to teach the Arabic.
    Afghans don't speak arabic...

    Maybe increase by 30k, but send 10k of them to a language camp for the first 6 months,
    Great...where are these 10K troops going to learn all the languages required in AFG? Your plan is waaaaayyyyy to simplistic and idealistic. AFG is also regional, so they would have to know where they are going first to know what language to learn (Pashtun, Dari, etc)

    then rotate them in and rotate another 10k troops out of the conflict into the language camp, and continue on with that until we have a large portion of the troops over there speaking the language.
    Not everyone can learn a second language. Especially on a constrained timeline. The army tests for this aptitude. There are folks who can't do it. Even for Soldiers who are vetted and sent to DLI, some still fail.

    I'd do the same thing with Iraq.
    Little late for that...
    Last edited by kansaswhig; 11-12-09 at 01:26 PM.

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    Re: What should we do in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Afghans don't speak arabic...
    Oh, lol. You're right. I'd have them learn either Pashtun or Dari depending on where they would be deployed.

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Great...where are these 10K troops going to learn all the languages required in AFG? Your plan is waaaaayyyyy to simplistic and idealistic. AFG is also regional, so they would have to know where they are going first to know what language to learn (Pashtun, Dari, etc)
    Where would they learn it? What do you mean? They could be trained anywhere, no? Military bases, green zone, wherever.

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Not everyone can learn a second language. Especially on a constrained timeline. The army tests for this aptitude. There are folks who can't do it.
    That's balony. Many universities have language learning requirements to graduate and students take like 3 hours of classes a week for 2-4 of their years in college to pass them. 40 hours a week or more for 6 months would be loads of time.

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Little late for that...
    For which part? Rebuilding or language? Why is it too late?

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