View Poll Results: What should we do in Afghanistan?

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  • Increase troops by 40,000

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  • Increase troops by 30,000

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Thread: What should we do in Afghanistan?

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    Re: What should we do in Afghanistan?

    Kansas,

    It's not hard to acquire a working knowledge of any language, really. I learned Arabic fairly well in my seven month build up, and I was half-assing it; I picked up twice as much in Iraq simply by practicing the language.

    If infantry units were forced to take language classes seriously they would walk away with a priceless tool.
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    Re: What should we do in Afghanistan?

    What should we do in Afghanistan?
    We should decimate the enemy and facilitate the creation of a functional government.

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    Re: What should we do in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Kansas,

    It's not hard to acquire a working knowledge of any language, really. I learned Arabic fairly well in my seven month build up, and I was half-assing it; I picked up twice as much in Iraq simply by practicing the language.

    If infantry units were forced to take language classes seriously they would walk away with a priceless tool.
    I agree. We tried this at my battalion prior to deployment. It was hard to get the companies to give guys up to go to class. But I guess if it was mandatory, then it would be easier. We had a heck of a time getting an instructor, but we found one. Arabic instructors are easier to find; Pashto, Dari, probably not.

    Just know that battalions have a lot on their plate in regards to pre-deployment training. Although I agree that HN language is vital, the Army doesn't apparently see it that way.

    My train up was only six weeks and after living with the IA for a few months, I was good enough not to need a terp most of the time.

    This isn't about WHAT we should do, it's about being realistic about it getting done. All the troops going through language training...sounds great. Actually doing it? A lot harder.

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    Re: What should we do in Afghanistan?

    It doesn't take long to to learn how to say, "put your weapons down, or I'll blow your ****ing head off", in several different dialects.
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    Re: What should we do in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It doesn't take long to to learn how to say, "put your weapons down, or I'll blow your ****ing head off", in several different dialects.
    Ha! If only it was that easy...

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    Re: What should we do in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Ha! If only it was that easy...
    It is, unless we complicate things with bull****. Remember, KISS. Learn it, know it, live it.
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    Re: What should we do in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Keeping in mind the consequences of pulling out, yet having to deal with a corrupt government in Kabul if we stay, plus the ever present sanctuary in Pakistan, what should we do?
    Increase the troops to what ever is necessary. Leaving before the job is done basically means the lives of the troops and civilians who died would have been wasted for nothing.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What should we do in Afghanistan?

    since the US has wasted so much over the years of this (whatever it is). you now find that at least some of the Taliban will be back in power. i guess i can say that it turned out to be a waste of time as i have said from the beginning. maybe you could all chip in and buy a banner saying mission SNAFU. it seems fitting.

    on a banner saying NOTHING ACCOMPLISHED. lol
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    Re: What should we do in Afghanistan?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It is, unless we complicate things with bull****. Remember, KISS. Learn it, know it, live it.
    Funny you mention that. The very "bull****" that you despise is exactly what the proposed 40K troop surge (which you advocate) will invoke...true COIN doctrine which is opposite of a heavy-handed approach.

    So which is it? More "bull****" in AFG or not?

    I'm confused by your stance on AFG.

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